RIOT if you're gonna buff Yasuo, can we remove his turret safety?

Clint Orris··258 votes·7,531 views

I don't want him ulting me under tower from 1400 units away JUST to get placed outside of fucking turret range.

https://plays.tv/video/591367f3eaaddf6103/that-is-bullshi

P.S: There is a HUGE difference between ulting someone that’s RIGHT out of tower range, and ulting someone that’s sitting right on top on the tower

157 Comments

warpenguin55556 votes

Yasuo's hand holding mechanics need to go. His ult shouldn't place him outside of turret range, wind wall shouldn't start inside of him, and his ult shouldn't give him his shield back. Yasuo is supposed to be a high risk champion.

Yura May Zing11 votes

b-b-b-but he's melee in an "Adc meta" summoner 3

Carnicore5 votes

He's one of the riskiest champions in the game. He doesn't need nerfs.

Clint Orris35 votes

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He's one of the riskiest champions in the game. He doesn't need nerfs.

Then he doesnt need buffs either. Nobody was complaining about him being weak

Imperial Japan6 votes

I don't think complaining about things are what should determine if something gets buffed/nerfed/changed.

rondell561 votes

i agree.. ppl are just salty :v

GodlyBane1 votes

hes squishy, thats why that exists

Feathermane19 votes

I hate any champion Riot deems high skillcap. That literally means everything will be coded in their favor, they will have a massive(ly annoying) playerbase and never get balanced.

DuskDaUmbreon11 votes

Hey. It's not a fucking massive safety net. It's just enough so that if he can be positioned 1) Next to you, and 2) Outside of turret range, he will be, rather than plopping him in it to eat a bunch of turret shots. It literally just rotates him around you, with maybe a 25 unit movement away from you.

It's not "Oh, he ulted you, but you're right next to turret, so we'll put him outside of it anyways", it's "Oh, you're literally just inside of turret range, so we'll rotate Yasuo around you so that he doesn't have to take turret shots for no reason".

Clint Orris26 votes

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Hey. It's not a fucking massive safety net. It's just enough so that if he can be positioned 1) Next to you, and 2) Outside of turret range, he will be, rather than plopping him in it to eat a bunch of turret shots. It literally just rotates him around you, with maybe a 25 unit movement away from you.

It's not "Oh, he ulted you, but you're right next to turret, so we'll put him outside of it anyways", it's "Oh, you're literally just inside of turret range, so we'll rotate Yasuo around you so that he doesn't have to take turret shots for no reason".

https://plays.tv/video/591367f3eaaddf6103/that-is-bullshit

LOOK. AT. THIS. SHIT. It's EXACTLY "Oh, he ulted you, but you're right next to turret, so we'll put him outside of it anyways"

Hella Kaiser28 votes

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kargish6 votes

Set course for magnetic north

Hella Kaiser5 votes

aye... we're scraping the barrel my friend.

kargish4 votes

For the famous ol' spiced

Terozu1 votes

Whats the song called?

Hella Kaiser2 votes

Drink by Alestorm

Terozu2 votes

Thx

PePsiLemoNN3 votes

You realize that it would've been the exact same result if he didn't have the turret safety thing?

UnboundHades12 votes

thats not the point of it lets say your in laning phase and your both around 40% hp and he dives you like this theres no chance for you to kill him/live without using summoners compared to it putting him in range making it more fair

Jbels50 votes

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Hey. It's not a fucking massive safety net. It's just enough so that if he can be positioned 1) Next to you, and 2) Outside of turret range, he will be, rather than plopping him in it to eat a bunch of turret shots. It literally just rotates him around you, with maybe a 25 unit movement away from you.

It's not "Oh, he ulted you, but you're right next to turret, so we'll put him outside of it anyways", it's "Oh, you're literally just inside of turret range, so we'll rotate Yasuo around you so that he doesn't have to take turret shots for no reason".

He SHOULD be eating turret shots from the outset. No other champion has the ability to ignore the danger of engaging somebody under a tower. Not to mention, most of the time Yasuo does ult someone under tower, they are low enough to be worth diving. They should be able to outplay him, WITH the help of the turret that's supposed to be acting as a deterrent for these kinds of dives.

RavenMagus19 votes

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No other champion has the ability to ignore the danger of engaging somebody under a tower.

Now, I'm not going to claim this Yasuo thing is completely fair, but this argument is just plain not true.

abca988 votes

Well, first examples I can think of are Kled and you still tank the first shots, except you lose aggro, and Pantheon , and he can only block the first (maybe another one with W) Using item 2420 or item 3157 can also help. But all of them have the risk of suffering damage while Yasuo presses R and hits you while he is suspended faaaar away from the tower.

Yets42406 votes

That's not specific coding to keep them from ever being in tower range to begin with, while doing damage and applying CC they otherwise would not be able to do, unless under tower.

LankPants2 votes

You're not quite making the right comparison.

Yas getting placed outside of tower range would be like Kled being automatically pushed out of tower range if he was dismounted under tower, not like Kled dropping tower aggro.

Clint Orris21 votes

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Now, I'm not going to claim this Yasuo thing is completely fair, but this argument is just plain not true.

Well actually it kind of is. There is a difference between having an ability that grants you "untargetability" or "Invulnerability" and having a dash spell that purposely puts you away from danger for no reason at all.

Zaghyr2 votes

So tryndamere running me down and doing illegal things to me under the tower with his ultimate active ISN'T ignoring the danger of the tower??

Terozu2 votes

Ummm no its not because you can run as hes chasing you and turret is blasting more powerful shots so when his ult wears off hell die.

Nyctalus1 votes

Running? Against a champ with a slow and a dash? You're joking, right?

Terozu1 votes

If you cant then ummm he deserves the kill, there are plenty of ways to kite and outmanuever him.

Nyctalus1 votes

Unless you're a champ with some kind of mobility or CC in their kit, you're dead. And even then, QSS and Flash exist. Sure, there are plenty of ways to outmaneuver, but there are just as many ways for Tryndamere to close the gap. Half of his abilities are specifically for that, the other half are for mitigating damage. Why do people insist on pretending like champions don't do what they were built to do? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

ChiTenshi1 votes

To be honest, Tryndamere is a broken Champion that needs changes (the counterplay options to his Ultimate are severely lacking). Don't think he's a sensible example to justify Yasuo's bullsh*ttery.

Nyctalus1 votes

Not justifying Yasuo in any way. His champion has an inherent advantage over other champions. But he's not the only one who does, and we don't need to pretend like all other champions are fine just to get one fixed.

Tik1158 votes

its not true in the extend of all champions

it IS true in the extent of champions CCIng themselves to attack sombody

If a Malz ults a champion under tower he doesn't get pushed to outside tower range, he gets shot

If a Vi Ults a champion under tower she doesn't get to saftley stay outside of tower range, she goes under tower and gets shot.

If WW ults somebo- you get the idea, no other champion which CC's themselves to deal damage has that safety net

Leetri1 votes

Malz can do it from outside turret range and Vi and Warwick get pretty damn tanky so they survive several shots. Yasuo does not get tanky and none of his defensive skills work against turrets.

Tik1154 votes

Yet he is the only champion in the game who has an ability which changes just because the enemy is under tower, how is that fair?

Sraeg20132 votes

Let's remove the knock-up requirement and make it a ground targetted AoE.

This way you can get cancer everywhere, not just under the tower!

nomeensno16 votes

Regardless of the distance (and it's a bit more than you suggest,) there's zero excuse for this. He ults someone who is inside turret range he should be eating turret shots. Especially when for anyone else, that equals you getting ripped up by turrets. Consistency would be nice.

RoakeyDoakey369 votes

Even I think Yasuo's "safety net" can be a little too much, and I main him.

I do want to mention one thing, if you get knocked up by Yasuo while he's outside turret range, and then he ults, which a pretty good Yasuo should do, he won't pick up turret aggro until after the ult animation anyway, since the damage is applied at the end, not the middle, but if yasuo is in turret range, then it's pretty dumb. (tbh, I almost never notice being put outside turret range, and actually putting me between them and the turret would make my escape much easier)

Strawberrycocoa5 votes

The day when one of the most annoying champions in the game gets a damn buff, while so many older champions stay unplayable...

Reformedfindlay5 votes

Can i get a rest in peace for my old account tfindlay919?

I have changed since then. I remember making a thread about this though... when it happened I was just in shock at it.

DunkinNoobs3 votes

I'll give it to you, but Yasuo's shield now works on tower shots. It's only fair if you're going to make him ult under tower, don't you think?

VorpaltheFox4 votes

quite fair, much like panth shield

Imperial Japan2 votes

Quite fair except for that you guys forgot to mention Yasuo is immobilized during ult as well and would take multiple tower shots without means to avoid/dodge it

Clint Orris9 votes

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Quite fair except for that you guys forgot to mention Yasuo is immobilized during ult as well and would take multiple tower shots without means to avoid/dodge it

oh no wow 2 tower shots. How about NOT DIVING UNDER FUCKING TOWER LIKE EVERY OTHER SQUISHY MELEE!?!??!?!?!

Imperial Japan1 votes

It’d be more - that and the added point where he can still be damaged while in ult from sources other than turret and the CC that’ll come along with it. ALSO - since for some reason you can’t process it with your head, Yasuo Is ImMoBoLiZeD during ult. It’s not like any other melee turret diving.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Warwick.

Imperial Japan3 votes

Yes perhaps that is a good example of a melee who has an immobilizing ult but you also forget that Warwick is a tank, has incredible lifesteal, and a dmg reduction ability.

Yaśuo Main2 votes

"HURDUR YASUO CAN TAKE 2 TOWER SHOTS" Lolno. I'm not exactly supporting a 200+ range on his ult but then again you're just utterly failing. Yasuo is squishy AF so you get to have him damaged by say, 150-200 hp if its 3 tower shots and he's deep enough and he has no shield. He isn't gonna take that nicely.

ChaddyFantome9 votes

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"HURDUR YASUO CAN TAKE 2 TOWER SHOTS" Lolno. I'm not exactly supporting a 200+ range on his ult but then again you're just utterly failing. Yasuo is squishy AF so you get to have him damaged by say, 150-200 hp if its 3 tower shots and he's deep enough and he has no shield. He isn't gonna take that nicely.

How about, dint fucking dive unless you can live the dive? You know, like every other champ? Does Vi get to be placed outside of tower range like that when she ults? No? Gee i wonder why?

rondell561 votes

wow...

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