To the people saying "Supports are the problem, not ADCs...."

ChaddyFantome·2/12/2018, 3:30:16 AM·3 votes·512 views

Look, I'm not about to try and convince you that Supports are in a fine state, (because they aren't) but the idea that they are the reason bot lane is an issue is incredibly shortsighted.

The common argument i hear is that "supports are too good at protecting ADcs" an to that i say, umm, so they should be bad at protecting an ADC? Look, whatever way you wanna spin it, the fact of the matter is if there is an ADC and they have a support next to them, that is a 2v1 situation if you jump the ADC. Just because the Support is (typically) not a damage oriented role does not mean you can treat this as the ADC effectively being alone. The Support expresses their ability through their ability to protect their teammate and they should be able to do so when they are playing correctly.

The only position where you would primarily blame the support as the main culprit is if your concern in this regard is purely whether you got to kill the ADC or nor, which is quite frankly juvenile. In a 2v1 scenario, you should have to outplay in order to come out ahead, it shouldn't be a given.

So what is the real problem then> Well obviously im talkign about ADCs. Like i said before, I do think Supports are overtuned atm, but they are not the main culprits at all. The ADCs they protect are the issue.

If I am playing an Assassin and I jump an ADC, i don't care if the Support managed to protect the ADC from me. I'm upset that the ADC killed me in less time than my entire assassination rotation could go off, not even giving me the opportunity to attempt an escape or bait anything out, and that's the problem. Because when Assassins save Kayn and Kha die 1v1 to ADCs at 30 minutes, the support isn't the main issue here.

Supports by their nature are enablers and ADCs are already absurdly broken. So it is only natural that as enablers they would make an already busted class unbearable to deal with.

ADCs simply do way to much burst per second atm and so supports doing their job simply makes them near untouchable.

So yes, while I do think Supports need to be toned down, I think it is important that we address ADCs first lest we nerf Supports into oblivion before addressing the root of the problem.

For the record, the areas I feel supports need to be looked at are a combination of the rune system and heal/shield power. Tank Supports get tons of free HP from minion drops and Sudden Impact gives you almost 100 Resistances at lvl freaking 1. They are tankier than they've ever been atm.

Gathering Storm allows Enchanters to gain tons of AP without having to build any, and Redemption has been contentious since release. Aery's shield , I like How it takes a bit before it goes up, but i feel it should take a bit more time just to tone it down a bit, as well as tune its nonexistent CD in some way. Maybe make Aery have a fixed return time or something.

TL'DR, while supports are a bit overturned, their ability to effectively protect ADCs isn't the problem. the Efficiency of protecting them is. And the reason it is is because of how stupidly overpowered they currently are.

7 Comments

Ahristocats2/12/2018, 3:34:33 AM3 votes

there is a difference between being good at protecting adcs

and preventing melees from doing anything in the game

adcs are not the problem because on their own they're manageable but once tahm kench braum or lulu janna are by their side, you can say goodbye at doing anything to them

and at that point, you can only rely on your own botlane to do something which is why top is shit right now

Erockandroll2/12/2018, 3:41:24 AM2 votes

But the ADC's will just cry like and Operatic Deva, (Like they did with ADC 2k17, why is Ziggs bot lane?) all because a) they're only real job is DPS, b) they become useless if they fall behind or can't do damage, and c) they die to anyone else because they're glass cannon.

And all said and done, They are obligated to play ADC because that's what works bot lane, with very few exceptions. (Like that sexy Ziggs) But the problem with those exceptions is the ban.

SwiftKitten882/12/2018, 4:50:15 AM2 votes

i have literally had a game (probably 2 months ago or so) where i saw the enemy Twitch all alone bot lane (i had vision on the 4 other players far away form him.

i hide in a bush... i land a max range spear from fog of war and pounce in.

yet he still kills me before i can even get my E and takedown off

.. yes twich was fed.. but SO WAS I. i was ALSO fed

im am tried of the " oh its the support not the adc" bullshit.. is the fucking adc's.. (or more specifically their items and runes) (although everyone's runes are OP honestly, so lets stick mostly with items)

this was a legit 1v1 from an adc and an assassin... BOTH OF WHICH ARE FED i caught him out of position, landed my spear from fog and he just STANDS STILLS AND AUTOS ME and wins.

there is no "supports are the issue" that is the most bullshit argument out there.. yes some supports are too strong.. and that can partially add to the issue. but support are NOT what make ADC's OP.