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Holy shit, Riot really DOES listen to us!

ChaddyFantome··54 votes·4,549 views

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Literally all pertaining to issues I pointed out before. The changes to item 3107 and item 3190 are explicitly the changes I asked for, lowering the base shielding and giving it an HP scaling for locket and Reducing the healing and making it scale with mana regen (or rather in this case, thrice as much healing Shielding power, which are all Mana regen items item 3114 .)

And the changes to item 3174 are the Mana regen scaling solution to utility scaling I always dreamed of!!! I remember posting about how item 3174 is meant to be the core item for a More AP centric build for Supports and is also the bridge between utility mages and enchanters. This is the perfect change!

The changes to Redemption should make it less of a must buy first item on every support now and this makes it to where tanky supports would rather go for Locket while Enchanters would prefer Redemption once they have a few items, without outright gutting the item 3107 + item 3190 Combo.

it also means you really gotta be going Wind speakers if you wanna basically get Redemption back on line.

Needless to say that these changes have me hella moist right now.

This isn't the Riot for 2 years ago that ignored everything we say. they truly do listen!

102 Comments

Fairyfleur30 votes

It feels too good to be true. I'm waiting for -changes reverted-

CyberBalt11 votes

Like 80% of the time I see changes on PBE I really like, a few days later the dreaded changes reverted marker shows up.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Command Ethereal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-05-31T19:54:45.883+0000)

It feels too good to be true. I'm waiting for -changes reverted-

don't Jinx it!!

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

How funnily ironic considering the Jinx changes a while back got reverted?

ChaddyFantome2 votes

{quoted}

How funnily ironic considering the Jinx changes a while back got reverted?

that was the joke

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

RIP Thought it was word play.

Atanchan1 votes

Well, you see laddie, jokes are a lot like onions ...

Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votes

They're like ogres?

Big Lincoln7 votes

beside the item 3800 changes these item adjustments look really promising

finally, a patch i can be excited for

ChaddyFantome1 votes

what did they change on Glory? :D?

Big Lincoln12 votes

no more item 3010

i think it's item 3024 + item 3801 , so now it has armor and CDR

i think that's way too strong and also balancing it for the wrong people. tank supports never built this item

Cosmic Warper2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-31T19:24:55.586+0000)

no more item 3010

i think it's item 3024 + item 3801 , so now it has armor and CDR

i think that's way too strong and also balancing it for the wrong people. tank supports never built this item

it should be for juggernauts and divers, not tank supports.

Big Lincoln3 votes

i woulda been happier if item 3052 was put in there so it'd be juggernaut friendly

ChaddyFantome2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-31T19:24:55.586+0000)

no more item 3010

i think it's item 3024 + item 3801 , so now it has armor and CDR

FINALLY!

I've wanted a similar change forever now. Now Warden Supports have a reasonable CDR item at a reasonable cost! Didn't think they'd ever do it tho since it would make it dangerous for Top lane or something.

i think that's way too strong and also balancing it for the wrong people. tank supports never built this item

While I agree i have concerns for how strong it will be, My guess is they are more comfortable doing this now because of the Tank changes we just had and how it affects HP. Personally i was hoping/expecting it to build out of item 3067 instead of item 3024.

As for support tanks not being it, it is precisely because they can't afford to. The build path is unwieldy and the item is too expressive, as well as the lack of CDR just makes it to where you are sitting on useless componants for too long on your small support budget. It's less that they don't want to and more that building it just isn't realistically feasible.

Big Lincoln3 votes

it's because they don't want the item, there is exactly 1 tank support who is specifically meant to engage Leona

the rest of them are all wardens TahmKench Braum Taric Alistar and wardens don't need an item to initiate, they would rather have item 3109 especially now that CDR is being added to it

righteous glory should be an item for juggernauts seeing as they're the ones who would most like it

ChaddyFantome3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-31T19:48:26.704+0000)

it's because they don't want the item, there is exactly 1 tank support who is specifically meant to engage Leona

But they also would like the ability to do so. Especially someone like Taric who is more of a Fighter than a Tank.

the rest of them are all wardens TahmKench Braum Taric Alistar and wardens don't need an item to initiate, they would rather have item 3109 especially now that CDR is being added to it

it is? holy shit that is a ballsy move in Riots part. I can't say I am MAD about the choice but I AM scared it will get abused hard by other lanes.

righteous glory should be an item for juggernauts seeing as they're the ones who would most like it

you mean you want it to be an item for juggernauts? the item has always been more about the utility it provides moreso than optimal stat and power ratios.

Big Lincoln3 votes

it should be an item for juggernauts. did you forget about how much Olaf loved this item before it got nerfed? i can't think of anyone who used it more, not even Volibear used the item as well

and juggernauts are a class who sorely desire utility, which is why item 3071 is so desirable for a lot of them as well as item 3742 item 3065 etc

ChaddyFantome1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-31T20:16:04.449+0000)

it should be an item for juggernauts. did you forget about how much Olaf loved this item before it got nerfed?

Never seen him build it tbh.

and juggernauts are a class who sorely desire utility, which is why is so desirable for a lot of them as well as etc

uhhhh. no. They like those items for 2 reasons. Sustain and getting into the fight.

Big Lincoln8 votes

getting into the fight.

and guess what righteous glory does

elon wątroba2 votes

{quoted}

Never seen him build it tbh.

it was in 4th or 5th season, if i remember correctly.

JaxMoonStealer3 votes

Alistar is also meant to engage. He can do both, actually, and Riot even classified him as a Vanguard last week.

Atanchan3 votes

He's an interesting case where he's practically split perfectly down the middle as half-warden, half-vanguard. He has excellent engage with his ult plus W + Q, but he extends his CC duration by an incredible amount if he's allowed to space it out, his W can be an amazing "no" button, and his E means that if he walks with his carry, any melee champion isn't going to have much choice but take the stun. Pretty impressive considering most of his kit is pretty ancient.

Glory ln Death3 votes

Oh, sweet Urgod above, I'm in love! That change was MADE for support Sion !

Dryden8144 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-31T18:23:46.767+0000)

beside the item 3800 changes these item adjustments look really promising

finally, a patch i can be excited for

conveniently ignore how the changes to righteous glory fuck singed's itemization.

Itsbeghdev2 votes

or intentionally set those aside to make a positive statement about the other things happening in the patch lol

General Esdeath 6 votes

Oh yeah? If Riot listens to me, I want them to name 3 of my songs. >:^(

I Might Lose9 votes

Why is my team feeding, can we please group, I'll int I swear

All off your "life n league" album

Darkdemon6533 votes

Assuming Riot typed what they meant to type, Spirit Visage will now increase Redemption healing received by 90%.

Pendergast8919 votes

i think its just referring to things like windspeakers that explicitly say shield and healing power increased by x%

Enloct1 votes

Isn't that what it says though?

Itsbeghdev4 votes

Spirit Visage is a healing received boost, not heal/shield power.

AirKingNeo3 votes

Sona - item 2301 item 3504 item 3174 item 3107 item 3030

Sigh, this is gonna be a wild ride. Only downside is no armor except maybe a Ninja Tabi.

And if anyone asks about GLP, it's for the Eternity Passive. They hurt me? I get free mana. I use abilities (60% wtf), I get free health.

Lord Desert2 votes

I'm sorry to bring the bad news, but riot can not leave Athenes this way. With this build: item 3174item 3107item 3504item 2301 Athenes grants 100 Ap, with 2100 building costs. This build already grants ~200Ap, 195Ap to be exact. Lulu, Nami, Karma, Ivern, Janna, Sona and Soraka would need to be heavily adjusted.

The utility supports would get so much AP it will not even be funny anymore.

The Bardic Gay3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-05-31T21:47:56.630+0000)

I'm sorry to bring the bad news, but riot can not leave Athenes this way. With this build: item 3174item 3107item 3504item 2301 Athenes grants 100 Ap, with 2100 building costs. This build already grants 200 Ap. Lulu, Nami, Karma, Ivern, Janna and Soraka would need to be heavily adjusted.

The utility supports would get so much AP it will not even be funny anymore.

What? Using PBE values, that build would grant a total of 125 flat AP from the item's stats, and 70 AP from the combined mana regen scaling of those items with the new Anthene's passive, for a total of 195. Did you leave an item out or something?

Lord Desert5 votes

No, I rounded it up to 200Ap because you likely have AP runes or the AP/Ad mastery. Or even Fire drakes. It technically "only" gives you 195Ap, but compare that to the 135Ap you currently would get.

But I'll change my comment if its bothering you that much :P

ChaddyFantome1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2017-05-31T22:42:04.512+0000)

No, I rounded it up to 200Ap because you likely have AP runes or the AP/Ad mastery.

Masteries don't provide AP/AD and runes are being removed... try again.

Lord Desert4 votes

Are you sure? You maybe should take a look at this: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Natural_Talent_(Season_2016_Mastery)

And runes will likely be removed NEXT PRESEASON. Thats around november this year. These changes come in about 2 weeks. And I dont think november comes in around 2 weeks xD

So would you try a little harder to show me some actual "flaws" in my arguments? xD

ChaddyFantome1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-01T01:57:46.811+0000)

Are you sure? You maybe should take a look at this: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Natural_Talent_(Season_2016_Mastery)

Supports don't opt for natural talent, not that 2 AP means much anyway.

That all goes over the point that them getting that kind of AP isn't even all that crazy as is.

Lord Desert3 votes

Dmg/ poke support do! And its 3.6 - 15 Ap, not just 2Ap. Nami, Ivern, Lulu and Karma might take it from those meantioned.

So absolutely everything I claim is proven/supported by facts.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-01T02:14:43.858+0000)

Dmg/ poke support do!

Those champs don't build mana regen items.

try harder

Lord Desert5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-01T02:14:43.858+0000)

##Nami, Ivern, Lulu and Karma might take it from those meantioned.

.... Dude what the hell?!

ChaddyFantome1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=000700000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-01T02:18:51.068+0000)

.... Dude what the hell?!

Wrong champ[ions. im not talkign about THOSE im talking abotu AP poke supports like Zyra Malzahar and Brand.'

Lulu Karma and Ivern wtc dont go into the ferocity tree.

Lord Desert2 votes

You stated:

Supports don't opt for natural talent, not that 2 AP means much anyway.

I answered:

Dmg/ poke support do!

And additionally:

Nami, Ivern, Lulu and Karma might take Natural Talent and also use the presented itembuild

They dont need to go that way, but they surely can. Especially if they want to play agressiv.

Regardless, we still have Ap runes... We get 15Ap just from Quins and can take Ap Glyphs too. So they all, even if they dont take Natural Talent, still get more than the 5 extra Ap that I assumed to make the 195 into the nice and clean 200 number.

Roasted Sigurd4 votes

There is literally a mastery that gives AD and AP.

Natural Talent.

The Bardic Gay1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAA8XAo5,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2017-05-31T22:42:04.512+0000)

No, I rounded it up to 200Ap because you likely have AP runes or the AP/Ad mastery. Or even Fire drakes. It technically "only" gives you 195Ap, but compare that to the 135Ap you currently would get.

But I'll change my comment if its bothering you that much :P

Oh, my mistake actually, it seemed to me you were implying that the build would grant 200 flat ap plus an additional 100 from the anthene's PASSIVE, for a collective total of 300. I see now.

Lord Desert1 votes

Ok 300 Ap total would be a little insane xD My choice of wording could have been a little bit better

ChaddyFantome1 votes

The mana Regen from the Grail itself doesn't apply to the Dissonance passive

Lord Desert3 votes

[New] Now gives 5 ability power for every 25% Base Mana Regen

Nowhere is it stated that the manareg on Athenes is not included. Where did you get this from?

ChaddyFantome1 votes

I tested it myself on PBE. It doesn't count towards it, nor does meditation or Blue Buff for the matter.

Lord Desert1 votes

It could be that not all features are shipped/documented right now. But mediation or blue shouldnt affect this, same deal with item 2139. How much Ap do you get only from item 3174 on the PBE? If its 30 then the manareg on itself is excluded if its 50 then its not

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