Diamond Anxiety; I can't play league of legends

Dominick Destine··4 votes·1,195 views

I recently acquired Diamond and I could not be more proud of my achievement.

That being said, I played http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dominick+destine and lost a lot of games. Now I don't want to play because I am risking my Diamond position but I want to play the game. I know this is a structural issue and it's not the system's fault but I am between a Malphite and a hard place.

I'm waiting until my LP decays to 1 and play two matches, hopefully winning one.... I am a great player , but I am saddled with human garbage because of boosting. I don't want to lose my Diamond Pride because some jackass thought it would be fun to pay to get a group of players to raise his bracket level to what I rightfully earned.

Riot, something has to give, whether it's the bracket system, dynamic cancer or the demotion risk.

Edit: If you look at the details of the matches I lost, my teammates were putrid scoriae. Just for kicks, here's an old thread of mine where I climbed to Diamond in a previous season, while complaining about putrid scoriae teammates http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3707182&page=1 Ah good times.

43 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSo6 votes

why are you so worried about your rank and get anxiety over it? sounds like you arent enjoying the game at all.. if thats the case why play?

its a game meant to be fun

Ralanr1 votes

Truth.

Bhagswag2 votes

Mhm. This is why I don't rank. I'm not entirely garbage, but I just don't see appeal. The season rewards don't entice me. The border doesn't entice me. What's in rank for me? Stressed gamers who're ready to snap at one missed siege?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i played some rank season 3 not much, a lil more in season 4 not alot and i played placement games at the end of last season plus 5 others i won i have an over all win rate of like 56% in my rank games.. but i dont care about rank and i have zero rank games this season and most likely will never play rank again i just wanna play the game when i have nothing to do... have some fun when nothing is on tv... its just a game

Dominick Destine3 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-25T15:45:16.753+0000)

why are you so worried about your rank and get anxiety over it? sounds like you arent enjoying the game at all.. if thats the case why play?

I love the game, I WANT to play.

I don't want to lose my Diamond Pride because I lost it literally on the last day in a previous season . So I was stuck with a plat border all that year, staring at me in every match reminding me of my major fuck-up. I deserved it and now I am stuck NOT playing the game I love because I know that the risk is there and greater than ever (Thanks dynamic cancer bootsing).

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

by why does it matter if youre diamond or plat? like i stated rank is more so as division of skill so people of different skill levels play games with people of their skill to make it an enjoyable game for all...

if i was vs diamonds every game and had no chance i wouldnt enjoy the game. if you were vs silvers/bronze all the time how much fun would that be for you?

some of the funest games are lower elos where people go ham and mash buttons and shit is crazy... its fun

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2016-09-25T15:54:17.039+0000)

by why does it matter if youre diamond or plat? l

Literally everything below Diamond is garbage.

Only Diamond players matter and only Diamond players tend to have a valid opinion pertaining to balance and similar issues. I want to be Diamond.... to put in the most clichéd terms possible; I want to be the very best, like no one ever was.

Ok jokes aside, it matters greatly to me to be Diamond. It is literally the reason I played 8 months this season.

Bhagswag3 votes

Look, I'm not saying you're bad. But if you could improve, you would be in less danger of dropping out of diamond. Maybe you're good enough for Plat 1, but barely enough to stay in Diamond 5.

Again, I'm not saying you're bad, I'm just trying to see what the situation is. As for boosting, your enemies have an equal chance of having boosted animals in their teams. How do you know you're not in Diamond because some enemy teams had boosted animals?

Dominick Destine4 votes

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Look, I'm not saying you're bad.

Of course I'm not bad, my performance per game is better than 99% of the community.... at least as Evelynn.

I'll cop to sucking on other champions sure, but my Evelynn game is above reproach.

As for boosting, your enemies have an equal chance of having boosted animals in their teams.

Hmmm that's actually pretty good argument.

I have no rebutal, that's a really good point since dynamic cancer doesn't exist Diamond.

How do you know you're not in Diamond because some enemy teams had boosted animals?

Because my per-game performance is better than 99% of the community.

Bhagswag1 votes

Let's assume you're in the top 1% of the players.

There's like 0.99% of the player base that is better than you. How do you know you're not the worst diamond player, and just the best plat player?

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Let's assume you're in the top 1% of the players.

"Assume" has nothing to do with it, statistically, to paraphrase doublelift; "Everyone else is trash"

There's like 0.99% of the player base that is better than you. How do you know you're not the worst diamond player, and just the best plat player?

Irrelevant.

Diamond Pride is Diamond Pride.

Bhagswag1 votes

Then get better. Other people in Diamond manage to stay in Diamond.

Earn the "pride".

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Then get better. Other people in Diamond manage to stay in Diamond.

Earn the "pride".

Fuck, that's a good argument.

You got me on that one.

jaymc11302 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=0000000200010000,timestamp=2016-09-25T16:04:01.546+0000)

Of course I'm not bad, my performance per game is better than 99% of the community.... at least as Evelynn.

I'll cop to sucking on other champions sure, but my Evelynn game is above reproach.

Nothing and no one is above reproach. I could easily identify a dozen mistakes you consistently make with her and you could just as easily identify a dozen mistakes I make with her. That's a silly statement to make. Our eve games are arguably some of the best on the server, easily top 20, but our performances are by no means perfect and we always have areas we can improve in.

Because my per-game performance is better than 99% of the community.

Wouldn't it be nice if this fact was actually measured and quantified so it wouldn't take 1000 games to reach an appropriate skill level? But noooooooo, rito loves rng accounting for 50% of a person's ranking or more. Great use of all the thousands of individual skill metrics you already track in every game played rito, great use.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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Nothing and no one is above reproach

Incorrect.

acehole761 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2016-09-25T15:50:37.917+0000)

I love the game, I WANT to play.

I don't want to lose my Diamond Pride because I lost it literally on the last day in a previous season . So I was stuck with a plat border all that year, staring at me in every match reminding me of my major fuck-up. I deserved it and now I am stuck NOT playing the game I love because I know that the risk is there and greater than ever (Thanks dynamic cancer bootsing).

that's your fault for being stupid. if that close just play your smurf account

Dominick Destine1 votes

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if that close just play your smurf account

I guess that's all I can do at this point.

Okuma1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-25T15:45:16.753+0000)

why are you so worried about your rank and get anxiety over it? sounds like you arent enjoying the game at all.. if thats the case why play?

its a game meant to be fun

I get where he's comming from tho

GinoSoldier3 votes

Just play unranked as much as you can bro. That's what it's for. Start playing ranked again next season and use this time to learn new champs, strats and perfect your stuff. Try and keep your diamond in the meanwhile, and earn it back if you lose it.

The stress alone will make you lose your games.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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Just play unranked as much as you can bro.

I like playing unranked to try new builds, or ARAM to relax.

But these are just for messing around and are meaningless.... it's like gambling without putting any money on the table, what's the point?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

you are not your rank/mmr/elo whether or not your diamond or bronze its just a game... the best thing about rank isnt proving how good you are at the game but to make separate rankings so people of all different skill levels can play with people of similar skill levels and enjoy the game...

so if your bronze play vs bronze have fun... if your diamond you play vs diamond and have fun...

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-25T15:49:45.728+0000)

you are not your rank/mmr/elo

That's loser talk.

Diamond Pride is about honor, strength of will, committment, discipline and skill.... AT LEAST IT USED TO BE. THANKS DYNAMIC CANCER.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

no that is your issue that is why you have this anxiety you put too much into shit that dont mean anything

Siegfriedx13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-09-25T15:52:35.235+0000)

That's loser talk.

Diamond Pride is about honor, strength of will, committment, discipline and skill.... AT LEAST IT USED TO BE. THANKS DYNAMIC CANCER.

No it's not. What's important it's you not the border.

Look my profile man, http://www.lolking.net/summoner/br/796297 http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/76019150

Basically i moved to NA as a diamond 2 and ended 2 years ago as a master tier, decayed to gold by not playing [it shows up in the original account as some kind of bug], and im really fine with that, playing a little until plat recently.

I have been working as a coach after that and dedicated my time to my girlfriend. The only thing about your situation that i could see that i would consider as "loser talk", but don't take it as a harsh critic, is your idea of "im diamond if i don't play". It makes no sense someone having pride of their position by not playing a game fearing from losing. "I'm the best runner while i don't run" or "the best fighter if i don't fight" just show you are not believing in yourself.

Maybe you don't realize but you are not playing this game to be the best anymore, you are playing to maintain your elo and that is hurting your mindset. I don't blame you, it's not exactly wrong to play like that, i guess is a way of seeing the game, but what i can truly say is that you will never hit master if you are afraid of losing.

My recommendation would be to make a choice between your true elo [the skill level you actually have] or the fake elo that the game shows up as a border to you. If you decide to go for your true elo, play and lose. Lose until you don't even know why are you losing and watch all replays. Train every mistake to not happen again and hit master and beyond later.

If you decide for your fake elo just play normal.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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No it's not. What's important it's you not the border.

The border represents my accomplishment and skill, of course it is the player that matters but it is always nice and arguably, a laudable goal to get a representation of said skill/accomplishment.

The only thing about your situation that i could see that i would consider as "loser talk", but don't take it as a harsh critic, is your idea of "im diamond if i don't play".

That's a really great argument.

Yes, I understand if my skill level is high enough, I should have nothing to fear.... but the current system encourages boosting and I am afriad to get more boosted teammates. I left a link that shows that I have lost previous games, I cannot prove that my teammates were boosted but they were pure shit.

There is a huge difference between a bad teammate and a boosted one. You cannot carry a boosted teammate , let alone 4. This is where skill no longer matters and that is the source of my anxiety, the reason I can't play the game I love.

It makes no sense someone having pride of their position by not playing a game fearing from losing.

Fuck , that's another good argument.

Maybe you don't realize but you are not playing this game to be the best anymore, you are playing to maintain your elo

What's wrong with that? we are at the end of the season and I'd like a representation of my skill for the next season. Is that wrong?

you will never hit master if you are afraid of losing.

I don't think I will ever be master. I am very satisfied being in Diamond Pride, one of the elite few that comprises a fraction of percentage of the community (0.6%? not sure, I haven't checked in years)

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution Shit, 1.8%.... maybe I should start working towards master, I didn't realize Diamond had gotten flooded. You are making some very good points, sir. I say this without irony or sarcasm; You have changed my outlook when it comes to League of Legends.... next season I will shoot for Master.

My recommendation would be to make a choice between your true elo [the skill level you actually have] or the fake elo that the game shows up as a border to you.

Bad argument.

You are making a false dichotomy. It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other, you know.

Siegfriedx12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-25T16:19:20.564+0000)

The border represents my accomplishment and skill, of course it is the player that matters but it is always nice and arguably, a laudable goal to get a representation of said skill/accomplishment.

That's a really great argument.

Yes, I understand if my skill level is high enough, I should have nothing to fear.... but the current system encourages boosting and I am afriad to get more boosted teammates. I left a link that shows that I have lost previous games, I cannot prove that my teammates were boosted but they were pure shit.

There is a huge difference between a bad teammate and a boosted one. You cannot carry a boosted teammate , let alone 4. This is where skill no longer matters and that is the source of my anxiety, the reason I can't play the game I love.

Fuck , that's another good argument.

What's wrong with that? we are at the end of the season and I'd like a representation of my skill for the next season. Is that wrong?

I don't think I will ever be master. I am very satisfied being in Diamond Pride, one of the elite few that comprises a fraction of percentage of the community (0.6%? not sure, I haven't checked in years)

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution Shit, 1.8%.... maybe I should start working towards master, I didn't realize Diamond had gotten flooded. You are making some very good points, sir. I say this without irony or sarcasm; You have changed my outlook when it comes to League of Legends.... next season I will shoot for Master.

Bad argument.

You are making a false dichotomy. It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other, you know.

It's nice that you took my post on consideration. I hope you understand that some of the points i made are not universal truths, but instead stimulative points to help you figure out where you are, what is your mindset and what actually are your goals on league. The goal is to help you to overcome your anxiety and accept the competitive person you are.

When i said you had to choose between your true elo or your fake elo i didn't said that because you can't have both at the same time, actually is very likely that if your true elo is high your fake elo will be high too. If that wasn't true i would never have been diamond or master myself.

I said that because if you focus on your true elo, experience shows that your fake elo will rise naturally, you are going to enjoy more the game and will feel like you can control by accepting your anxiety by not focusing on losing. If you focus on your fake elo your true skills will start getting rusty and you will start focusing on your team mates as enemies instead of friends as you can't win by yourself. As you start seeing losing as a problem instead as a result of factors , you will focus your energy on hating the fact you are losing instead of what you could have done to be better, even if the result would be the same.

As a consequence every mistake your friends do will suddenly be a huge thing even if you did worst and a good team will only be a team that can win carrying some of your mistakes.

As i always say to my students there is 2 bad things that show your mind set is not in the league your true skill actually are. 1- If your enemies do a good number of things you never saw before, can't understand or aren't able to respond. 2- If you can play doing less than your best, even playing bad and still win.

Think this way, if you randomly play with people that sometimes cover your mistakes, why that would be a good thing? This mean they are playing better than you. They are able to make more difference than you could and that FOR SURE, next matches they will be on the other team. If not the same players, people that also can win games when one of their team is losing.

If you feel your teammates sometime can do a lot when you are not doing so much, that is not "wow, good team, gj guys" like most of people like to think, is more like "i need to train more to be like them because i will lose a lot".

I hope you can control your anxiety by accepting it and the fact you are a competitive player that like to show others how you improved. Anxiety is a way your body have to generate energy because something matters to you. Maybe you just need to find another way to show your progress to your friends that is not around winning or your elo. Maybe start recording your plays or aim to have a very good match history even if you lose the match.

Chances are that by doing that you are going to win more and raise your elo by consequence. In summary: Don't push yourself to have an A+, push yourself to understand what you need to study. By doing that your A+ will come.

OBS:. About the dynamic Q thing about elo boosting, that is just plain your mind not wanting to accept you need to play better than others [seeing your history show you are not doing your best] . Remember that even people that elo boost are players just like u who sometimes are on your team and help you to win. Statistic says that for 10 games you lose by someone elo boosting you are going to win other 10 because they are in your team.

This means that the actual impact they have is very small, what actually make sense when you see all good players smurfing until their natural elo without a problem every time. This might affect 1 best of 3 or best of 5, but should be no problem overall.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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[seeing your history show you are not doing your best] .

I will admit this.

I got overconfindent, tried other champions instead of my strongest. But now the margin of error is razor thin and even my strongest character is not guaranteed victory. In any case, your post was very good/informative but somewhat pretentious.

I upvoted it.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

I've mostly stopped since hitting Platinum. It just isn't worth dealing with the toxicity or idiocy.

I'm probably just going to play enough to prevent decay until the season ends.

Serevas2 votes

Here's the thing, you're diamond 5 which is basically still platinum, just like plat 5 is pretty much still gold and so on. You're at a point where your games are made up almost entirely of platinum and diamond 5 players because that's the MMR bracket that you're in. The only way you get out of it is to keep playing and hope for the best to raise your MMR further into the diamond bracket and that way you get matched up with diamonds.

So honestly you don't really have much to lose since you're sitting right on the border of Platinum and Diamond MMR anyway.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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Here's the thing, you're diamond 5 which is basically still platinum

Diamond Pride is Diamond Pride.

Arguments to the contrary are nonsense and irrelevant. This is supported 100% by Riot and cannot be debated. It was literally the basis for the bracket system, gg.

So honestly you don't really have much to lose since you're sitting right on the border of Platinum and Diamond MMR anyway.

Forgive my language but; FUCK THAT SHIT, I do NOT want to be dropped into Bronze Chaos. Anything below Diamond is garbage and I am Diamond therefore I am not garbage. I want to be here but I also want to play the game. It is an impasse.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votes

lol its ok you wont be there long

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Dominick Destine3 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-09-25T16:01:23.022+0000)

lol its ok you wont be there long

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Ahahaha, let's hope you're wrong.

S0kaX2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-25T16:05:59.213+0000)

Ahahaha, let's hope you're wrong.

Let's hope he's right [slayer-jinx-catface]

FioraWillCarry1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=twrxNZ24,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-09-25T15:59:45.053+0000)

Forgive my language but; FUCK THAT SHIT, I do NOT want to be dropped into Bronze Chaos. Anything below Diamond is garbage and I am Diamond therefore I am not garbage. I want to be here but I also want to play the game. It is an impasse.

LMAO. I felt the same way 1st time I hit Silver a couple months ago. Now it's like meh. I guess hitting a higher tier for the first time has is a high but it doesn't last long. It's business as usual once you start playing there regularly.

Serevas1 votes

Actually MMR is the sole thing that actually matters in the game, which is why I think the bracket system is complete garbage and should be done away with in exchange for your rating being your MMR.

Furthermore you're playing in below diamond despite being labeled as diamond, so again, you're basically high platinum because that's what you play with in each of your matches.

I had heard the horror stories from high elo streamers about the diamond 5 mentality, but holy crap, witnessing it is something else.

Bladerunner77771 votes

Uh, here's an idea

You play some champions that you have a lot of games on, but you have average/below average winrate with them. After 50 games, if you winrate isn't looking good, it might be better to just cut them from your champion pool. If you are insistent on not cutting them then I would recommend spending a lot of time in normals/looking at various guides to really get good with them, Ranked isn't a good place to learn/relearn champs.

I am a great player , but I am saddled with human garbage

Completely wrong attitude. Statistically speaking, if you're good then the enemy team is more likely to get a boosted/bad player than your team. If you do really bad in any of your games then you can't point fingers at anyone else.

"But I only had one bad game"

What if those "boosted" players on your team had their first bad game in a while? These people are in the same shoes as you, you aren't any better/worse than they are.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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Uh, here's an idea

You play some champions that you have a lot of games on

Evelynn ; Thousands of matches on her since the game started... and my stats per game have always remained extremely high on her. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dominick+destine

I'd like to think I'm a master Evelynn player. But I can't get her in every match given a combination of auto-fill and the modest chance of getting my secondary, this goes double now because she's inexplicably banned way more often in Diamond than Plat.

but you have average/below average winrate with them.

Yeah I have to admit I'm not a Diamond NON Evelynn player.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

You do realize that at the end of the season you get the border of the highest rank you ever got the previuos season right?

Even if you get dropped to Plat 1, you will still get the diamond border. So stop worrying and get your butt into ranked and play it.

Siegfriedx11 votes

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You do realize that at the end of the season you get the border of the highest rank you ever got the previuos season right?

Even if you get dropped to Plat 1, you will still get the diamond border. So stop worrying and get your butt into ranked and play it.

wat?

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Oops I meant this season

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