So why exactly did Gragas stop building as an AP mage/assasin

Death by Glamour··1 votes·481 views

Once upon a time in a land called season 4 he was a bread and butter pick in both pro and casual play as that hybrid mage/assassin. Yep he did have it all, wave clear sustain and was actually mobile considers his curvy form.

I remember he got some wave clear nerfs but that's about it.

So what changed him from mage to tank?

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PyroAeroVampire3 votes

His passive used to be a flat heal on EVERY ability cast. Combine that with his free W cast and he's golden for lane sustain.

Q's damage got nerfed if you instantly pop it, which was Mage Gragas' primary form of poke. Now, it has to charge to deal the same amount of (or more) damage, meaning it's better for clearing minions who stand in the area, but not good against champs who can actively avoid it. It used to be an Attack Speed slow instead of a Movement Speed slow, so the added CC guides him towards being a tank more.

W used to give mana after a one second cast and give a buff after that gave Gragas AD and reduced all damage he took for 20 seconds, meaning it was his sustain and how he was able to last hit. Since it gave mana, it didn't COST mana, so it was free besides the cooldown, which was slightly longer than the duration.

Gragas' E used to be wider and have a bigger AP ratio, so it lost it's power with building AP.

Gragas' Ulti used to have a MASSIVE AP ratio, but it was nerfed alongside the base damage, making the ability almost all about the utility of the knockback rather than an alcohol nuke.

Basically, he used to be a mid-to-late game carry mage quite similar to Orianna, where he was safe in lane with mobility, had sustain to get through the poke from being melee, and had the damage to burst his lane opponent if his jungler ever ganked. Then he got nerfed a bit towards the mid of Season 3, then he was in this weird limbo of perma-banned but no good positions, then he got a pseudo-overhaul that made it better for him to build tanky in Season 4, resulting in the jungle/top tank you see today.

Death by Glamour1 votes

Thank you very much for this answer sir/mam.

I was sure he was still getting played mid into ori in season 4 must have been mistaken.

I remember both his ult and q had 100% AP ratios but that as you say changed in season 3.

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Marshbouy1 votes

I think he just gets shit on now by other mages.

nm10101 votes

If I remember them all:

Q nerf

W no longer gives mana

E nerf

R nerf

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Lots of ratio changes and damage reduction on his w

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