Hey Riot, you know how you can nerf Riven without hitting her ult CD for the 20th time?

FalconPawwwwnch·Oct 24, 2015·176 votes·5,368 views

Maybe make it so after she casts Wind Slash her ultimate steroid goes away

That way she has to choose between using her execute or keeping her massive steroid

52 Comments

Hayaishi2Oct 24, 2015104 votes

Heaven forbid Riven players have to make meaningful decisions.

1000angrybeesOct 25, 201538 votes

You mean... you can't just throw out dashes and cc and blindly lash out anymore?

What kind of a world have we come to

MeDicenWeraOct 25, 20154 votes

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Heaven forbid Riven players have to make meaningful decisions.

As a Riven player I absolutely back your comment, lol

CaythelesOct 24, 201538 votes

I dont see why she still has her damn steroid after she Windslashes anyway... it literally shows her sword peices flying towards the enemy... but she still keeps her sword intact and then randomly reverts back.....

Dragonlord7137Oct 24, 201523 votes

I like your thinking the graphics are already there in fact the first time I played Riven I thought you activated ult, did more damage then used the secondary activation to finish them off while putting the ult on cd. It wasn't until I played against a riven that I realized the ult buff didn't go away after wind slash.

MelledoneusOct 25, 20156 votes

Why the hell was this downvoted?

kaltenashesOct 25, 20155 votes

random downvote is real

FastAsHeckOct 26, 20152 votes

irony

Eunbi BiasOct 25, 20151 votes

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I dont see why she still has her damn steroid after she Windslashes anyway... it literally shows her sword peices flying towards the enemy... but she still keeps her sword intact and then randomly reverts back.....

Bro, This is a game. In a game, especially in One like League, Logic is unapparent.

48983507DEL1Oct 26, 20154 votes

...I literally never thought of it that way.

Then again, she broke her sword a long time ago and probably hasn't been lugging the pieces around with her on her travels, so the fact that she can make it whole again is either a miracle or a figment of everyone's imagination. Either way, it means Riven can do whatever the fuck she wants because she's blessed by the League gods.

bradOct 25, 20159 votes

or making her q cooldown start after the last q is used

rlly annoying when a riven uses her 3rd q and then almost instantly uses her q again

AckelopeOct 26, 20151 votes

I feel like she'd be pretty shit if that was the case. That being said, there are other champions out there who need ability cooldowns to start as soon as the ability is first cast :/

JustMyBassCannonOct 24, 20158 votes

Or halving the duration upon casting it, that's a more reasonable suggestion.

SiG DxDOct 25, 20156 votes

increase E cd lower E ratio lower W ratio lower execute dmg lower base dmg ,lower passive and R steroid

better

MelledoneusOct 25, 20153 votes

So, rather than balancing Riven to be a better champion, you want to turn her into Warwick?

Ok.

The Sword SaintOct 25, 20155 votes

Because the point isn't to actually hurt riven, it's just to appease riven haters without really changing anything.

Because they don't want to actually make her any weaker. It's possible they may want to shift her skill curve around because at the moment she is too weak in low-average elo and too strong in high elo, but I doubt they want to just make her weaker in general across the board.

chide da junglerOct 25, 20154 votes

she needs a mana bar. that is why she is so hard to balance

John BerserkOct 25, 20153 votes

Making her ult steroid go away would make the most sense, but I feel that's only one of several problems with Riven and her kit, and thus making the steroid go away would fix but one problem.

I think some changes could be made to her passive that would in effect change her playstyle. Here's what I suggest:

Passive: Riven's blade gains a charge for 5 seconds every time she casts an ability, stacking up to 3 times. Each of her basic attacks consumes all charges to deal 50% AD bonus physical damage for each charge consumed.

This as far as I know would make her animation canceling useless, as the damage output would be less bursty and would require more extended trades for Riven to get her maximum damage out, and even then the maximum damage put out would be significantly less than what it is now (assuming the bonus damage from her charges remains the same).

Here are some calculations I did:

Assume:

Riven level 18
Riven 300 AD
Riven no crit chance/armor pen
Enemy no armor

Current passive (Q + aa, Q + aa, Q + aa) ((90 + 180) + (300 + 150)) + ((90 + 180) + (300 + 150)) + ((90 + 180) + (300 + 150)) = 2160

New passive (Q, Q, Q, aa) (90 + 180) + (90 + 180) + (90 + 180) + (300 + (150 x 3)) = 1560

It is definitely significantly less damage AS WELL AS significantly less speed, so to compensate, I'm thinking just increase the AD scaling on the stacks just a tiny bit so the max damage output is AROUND THE SAME but a little less than what it currently is. The main point though is to slow the combo down a bit so she's more of a fighter and not an assassin.

And this is just one change I would make to her kit to solve only one other problem. I think some other changes should be made to her E (tone down the AD ratio) and her R (maybe make the damage steroid equal to her damage when she has 3 stacks, but she keeps all 3 stacks for the duration of the steroid, alongside your idea of expending the steroid on second cast).

NiaphimOct 25, 20151 votes

Just IMO, it sounds very interesting.

It Hertz When IPOct 25, 20153 votes

I may be wrong, but I think your entire suggestion could be condensed down to one sentence: make only the third activation of Broken Wings grant a charge for her passive instead of all three activations.

Which I like. Though instead of increasing her AD scalings, I would adjust her AS/level. Otherwise you could just mash Q and get roughly the same damage output, only now even the trick of remembering to AA between Qs has been stripped away, making Riven Even More idiotproof.

Stormfire87Oct 25, 20151 votes

but what about stacks gained from her w and e. do they no longer give charges?

It Hertz When IPOct 25, 20151 votes

I would vote yes; they aren't spammable.

John BerserkOct 25, 20151 votes

Hmm, I didn't intend for just Broken Wings to build the charges, but if that were the case then you might as well just add that as a passive on her Q and give her a whole new passive.

As to what that new passive would be I have no idea.

It Hertz When IPOct 25, 20151 votes

Based on board QQ threads, she'll have the same global taunt as Teemo.

RetillinOct 24, 20152 votes

Just scrap the animation cancelling already. It was intended and makes the power fluctuations on her too high. Give her a small boost to stats to compensated, then work from there to balance her.

FistOfSharkieshaOct 25, 20152 votes

Won't change anything because she's so bursty. Unless they fix animation cancelling or you're Olaf, she'll be able to get her entire kit off on you before you can get away and it will most likely be plenty to execute you with her ultimate.

XaihadyOct 25, 20152 votes

Huh, this actually sounds good :)

RoodrakOct 25, 20152 votes

I, uh thought it was always like that

551202Oct 25, 20152 votes

Riven don't even need her ult up to rape your team 1v5.

PlushBoresOct 25, 20152 votes

the good way to nerf riven is, make her shield escale with ap, more cd and less dmg from Q, easy

chipndip1Oct 25, 20152 votes

You know, you'd think that casting her execute WOULD remove the steroid. It's like if Quinn used Valor, used Valor's R, and stayed as Valor anyway. Wtf?

FastAsHeckOct 26, 20152 votes

I don't actually have a problem with riven, I only hate her when I'm not top lane and someone else feeds her so she proceeds to pentakill before her stun even ends.

KnighRriderOct 26, 20152 votes

The problem is Riven was designed(whether intentionally or not) to be super strong in lane, or really weak, and it always comes back. Shes only been nerfed since her release(to my knowledge), and some how she always manages to be strong again. Now I wouldn't say thats a good reason to nerf again: right now at this point i think if they nerfed one of her skills hard(like the ult u guys are talking about), then she would really suck. But if they compensated for it by buffing anything else like base stats(which are not great at the moment) then she would be just as good and people would start complaining again! Like there's no way to make her "average" ...I question the existence of an "average" champion on this game right now anyway. One thing that seems to be constant though, is that she never seems to be a big problem in higher elo... IM NOT HIGH ELO! and I don't find my enemy team's fed Riven to be that hard to deal with when I'm mid or bot lane.. except when my team mates start roaming alone trying to 1v1 her knowing they'll die -_- Still, I'm pretty sure people arent going to stop complaining about Riven until Riot makes sure they can beat her in lane every match. Maybe the solution to the problem, is we all get better at the game?

Chromatic EagleOct 24, 20151 votes

Wait I just played Riven in a game: She keeps her steroid after slashing?

The EcdysiastOct 25, 20151 votes

That's only fair if they make her execute True damage like Darius's, whose conditions for an execute give him a much bigger steroid. Oh, and if we make it possible to cast again if it kills the opponent.

Cloud PotatoOct 25, 20151 votes

I don't imagine this would change her much at all. Her biggest problem is her low counterplay damage in lane, and if she uses Wind Slash odds are you're running away or dead.

XxxLumberJackxxXOct 25, 20151 votes

What if her E only gave her a shield while going Towards enemies and is just a dash if she goes away from them?

kile147Oct 25, 20151 votes

Or make her dashes punish her for using them as escapes. Most champions have that lever built into their kit, so why not Riven?

manbearswineOct 25, 20151 votes

Honestly?

I think resourceless champs should just get less 80% cdr of the cdr they buy,or something of the sort,because without mana gating them it just becomes a problem.

warpenguin555Oct 25, 20151 votes

pretty good idea

The SoulforgedOct 25, 20151 votes

I just want the e cd increased :/

A Miss FortuneOct 25, 20151 votes

Is her ultimate even the main problem? I'd probably say It's one of the more balanced parts of her kit, the CC, mobility, and shield parts are all something I'd much prefer to have nerfed or some of it just flat out removed as I still don't see a point in a hypermobile champion with a high damage output having any CC at all.

killd0zerOct 25, 20151 votes

You've spent 4 years bitching and have never acomplished something.

NA DarklarikOct 26, 20151 votes

That and, how about we nerf her stupid ass Passive as well? The fact it scales with her ultimate is absurd.

AxxukaOct 26, 20151 votes

Make Q CD start after 3rd cast NOT FIRST
Reduce E Ratio or make it's CD higher at low lvl (She can tank too much if she snowballs ahead without tank items... Her overral kit makes it absurd in solo Q)
Using R active = No more steroids