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"a huge number said they didn’t want to abandon their friends to [play ranked]"

LaughingStapler··117 votes·5,573 views

So the solution is to destroy the integrity of ranked? Why do you even need these players to be in ranked rather normals? If they're with several friends, they're probably more focused on messing around than winning optimally anyway.

You cannot have such different experiences and skillsets measured as if they are one and the same by ranking everyone on the same ladder. A solo que Platinum interacting mostly with other solo quers or duo quers is very different from someone in a 5 man premade who is also Platinum but plays mostly against 4-5 man premades. You also can't fairly make the solo que player face the 4-5 man.

You're ranking people on the same ladder who won't even interact with the same player pool and have a totally different experience. It's fundamentally broken and irrational. There's no way around this and no magical fix as long as this is allowed. This is the big elephant in the room that Meddler's posts don't address.

I have no problem with Dynamic Que existing, but don't compromise the predictive power of ranked play. Show split raitings for each matchmaking scenario (solo, duo, 3 man, 4 man, 5 man). Otherwise it's just a garbled mess and the rankings of players are meaningless because they lack specificity.

104 Comments

Winters Dawn44 votes

i know people don't abide by this but a 5 man team should be playing team ranked. but hey that's just me

James Stone3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Winters Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-18T19:29:47.810+0000)

i know people don't abide by this but a 5 man team should be playing team ranked. but hey that's just me

So, if a group wants to train their teamwork on a less stressful enviromnent they get to eat shit? Glad you ain't in charge, bucko.

Dar Raksada23 votes

[{quoted}](name=James Stone,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-01-18T22:38:58.567+0000)

So, if a group wants to train their teamwork on a less stressful enviromnent they get to eat shit? Glad you ain't in charge, bucko.

Normals? It's what my friends & I have been doing for ages.

Edit: Misread, my bad. There's no reason 5 friends shouldn't be playing normals, especially if the skill difference is big (in my case a diamond, a platinum, a silver with the skill of a platinum a silver and a bronzie.)

Sairentosutoka1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dar Raksada,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-18T22:47:07.035+0000)

Normals? It's what my friends & I have been doing for ages.

shit for brains that what the guy is saying. the first poster said that if you are in a 5-man you should play ranked and the guy you just replyed to was saying what if we want to play around and not get our shit kicked in... damn %%%%% read.

Avios111 votes

Guess someone didn't have a good day today.

Sairentosutoka1 votes

I am my left mouse button hasnt been working in game since november and i made about 5 threads on support forums about it no one answers riot aint helping me they fucking useless iv deleted my input.ini like 100 times. doesn't fix it. i can't find out what is going on. it makes it so i can't ping or use map its fucking irritating and riot aint doing a god damn thing to help me...

A Miss Fortune13 votes

personal problem

James Stone2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dar Raksada,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-18T22:47:07.035+0000)

Normals? It's what my friends & I have been doing for ages.

Yeah, and the first guy said you and your friends should play ranked only. That was my point, according to the first posters you and your friend's choices would be to play ranked or fuck off

Troll for Trump5 votes

Glad to know the toxicity system ain't workin.

James Stone1 votes

{quoted}

Glad to know the toxicity system ain't workin.

Not wanting to be forced to play exclusively ranked or customs when I'm with my friends is being part of the toxicity system how exactly? Or was that the comment that I was happy you weren't responsible for deciding anything Lol related because I disagree with you and your careless disregard. For people who just wanna chill with their friends?

Troll for Trump1 votes

First. I didn't post that comment. Second. I'm talking about your attitude. You can express your opinion, but not with that kinda attitude.

If anything, YOUR attitude shows how careless you are. Ranked isn't a "less stressful" environment. That would be normals. And pray that you don't get one of the toxic premades, who force you to be a puppet and cater to their every whim. "Play Taric or report"

Yes. It's a false report. It still puts you on tilt, ruins a game, the jgler won't gank you, you'll lose your role, you get ping spammed, and everyone will bandwagon rage at you.

I would dodge if the penalties for doing so weren't implemented.

TacoTheKitten1 votes

Have you ever heard of something called normals?

James Stone1 votes

{quoted}

Have you ever heard of something called normals?

Nunya Bezwacks1 votes

last i checked the most that could queue for solo was 4 not 5

Winters Dawn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nunya Bezwacks,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2016-01-20T00:28:33.002+0000)

last i checked the most that could queue for solo was 4 not 5

i was counting me, you, the leader of the lobby

Skias1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Winters Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-18T19:29:47.810+0000)

i know people don't abide by this but a 5 man team should be playing team ranked. but hey that's just me

Then its 5 or nothing, you play 4 games and spend weeks trying to get people together again. Nope, love the new changes. There was no integrity in fighting trolls and afks to have a complete game before hand. Id rather rely on 3 or 4 people I know.

Woodakoodashooda34 votes

4-man pre mades shouldn't exist because it means someone on that team is going in solo.

3-man pre mades can exist as long as they are matched up only with duos and vice versa.

Here's how I believe the match making SHOULD work.

Solo Vs. Solo

Duo and Trio Vs. Duo and Trio

5 Vs. 5

Vistha Kai13 votes

Here's how I believe the match making SHOULD work.

You and everybody with their heads screwed on straight.

Ñapoleoni10 votes

Except riot

Vistha Kai9 votes

Riot belongs to the part of not "with their heads screwed on straight".

Or I should say, Lyte and his sidekicks.

Deep Terror Nami8 votes

Yo I thought this was Laughing Fish. I was like "dude your drunk, you're on the wrong board" XD

Sir Yamazuki8 votes

{quoted} If they're with several friends, they're probably more focused on messing around than winning optimally anyway.

That's not really true.

Vistha Kai3 votes

This is precisely why 5v5 ranked queue was made.

Sir Yamazuki9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-01-18T22:03:39.618+0000)

This is precisely why 5v5 ranked queue was made.

Had no idea a group of 3 could play ranked 5s. Thank you for letting me know. Either way, it is irrelevent to the fact playing with friends=/=screwing around. Take your pointless hate elsewhere.

Vistha Kai2 votes

You apparently played this game for so long you've forgotten the meaning of the word "hate".

And for your information there is also a 3v3 ranked queue .*gasp*

Sir Yamazuki7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-18T22:17:56.423+0000)

You apparently played this game for so long you've forgotten the meaning of the word "hate".

And for your information, surprisingly, there is also a 3v3 ranked queue.

I know what "hate" means, you don't like Dynamic Que and intentionally brought up something 100% irrelevant to my comment.

TT and SR are pretty much entirely different games and ranked TT is absolutely imbalanced especially at the time that I play. So, once again, something absolutely irrelevant.

Vistha Kai3 votes

TT isn't any more imbalanced than Dynamic queues.

Regardless, tell me what is exactly irrelevant to your comment. I'd like to know for future reference.

Sir Yamazuki5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-18T22:43:20.369+0000)

TT isn't any more imbalanced than Dynamic queues.

Regardless, tell me what is exactly irrelevant to your comment. I'd like to know for future reference.

Actually TT is far more imbalanced, but of course you'll make up anything to support your opinion. Let me know when Dynamic Que is forcing a team to play against one that is clearly superior to the one they are against. I'm sure it's so fun having a bunch of plat~challenger players destroying silver/gold players for 30 games in a row.

I simply said not everyone who plays with their friends are playing to fool around, which has nothing to do with ranked 5s or my stance on Dynamic Que. Even on the topic of ranked 5s, or Dynamic Que, we are obviously talking about Summoner's Rift, which is a different map than the one played on 3v3.

If you wanted to be relevant to what I said you would have stuck to response about friends playing serious or not, but again, you and the others want to bring up made up facts to justify your stance and then get upset when someone says it's not true.

Vistha Kai2 votes

You are talking about hating, making stuff up, saying "irrelevant" thing and getting angry when somebody doesn't agree with "us". Do you understand how big of a hypocrite you are?

All I said was that should a bunch of friends want to go "serious" there are already dedicated ranked queues for that. Your direct response was attacking me, calling what I said "pointless hate" and "100% irrelevant".

Then when I brought up the existance of 3v3 and 5v5 team ranked queues you called it a "made up fact".

I love talking with people like you. Nothing gets past your thick skull, so I can practice not getting worked up, should I have to deal with people like you later in my life.

Sairentosutoka1 votes

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Vistha Kai3 votes

If they're with several friends, they're probably more focused on messing around than winning optimally anyway.

This is exactly what OP said. Now re-read that sentence until you understand what it's actually about.

On the side note how exactly this joke called Dynamic Queue is going to help aganist people banning your beloved Illaoi? Exactly nothing, because there is still the enemy team.

Sir Yamazuki2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tu9ok2zF,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-18T23:21:54.389+0000)

1.You are talking about hating, making stuff up, saying "irrelevant" thing and getting angry when somebody doesn't agree with "us".

2.Do you understand how big of a hypocrite you are?

3.All I said was that should a bunch of friends want to go "serious" there are already dedicated ranked queues for that.

4.Your direct response was attacking me, calling what I said "pointless hate" and "100% irrelevant".

5.Then when I brought up the existance of 3v3 and 5v5 team ranked queues you called it a "made up fact".

  1. You have expressed plain dislike towards Dynamic Que in your past posts, so, unless you changed your mind I am not wrong.

  2. I don't think you understand what a hypocrite is. I have been responding to everything you say without bringing anything irrelevant to what you've said nor am I even remotely close to being unsatisfied to you disagreeing. I am actually indifferent. I don't support, nor am I against Dynamic Que; I am in the middle.

  3. Having friends does not mean you have 4 friends, which is required in order to play ranked 5s. It was ignorant to assume every single person who has friends will have at least 4 friends. There are people with 1, 2, 3 friends. The purpose of Dynamic Que was to allow people who only had a couple friends to be able to be competitive if they so choose to.

  4. Just as with your hypocrite statement, I don't think you know what a personal attack is. Again, you've expressed plain dislike towards Dynamic Que in your posts, me stating this is not a personal attack. As for the "pointless hate" comment, it was in reference to the fact you responded to my post with something both ignorant and irrelevant simply because I didn't respond with "Hell yeah I agree!!!!" to everything the op said, including the lie I pointed out. You would have absolutely no problems with my post if I was blindly agreeing.

  5. I only mentioned "Made up facts" to two things. One being people who play with friends don't care about winning, because that is in fact a lie. People can play with friends to get better and to be competitive, it happens all the time. The second time was your claims that Dynamic Que is just as imbalanced as late night ranked TT because that isn't true either. The main issue with Dynamic Que is the premade vs solos although, that is no where near as bad as platchallenger players being able to stomp BronzeGold players for 30~100+ games in a row. According to your match history on that account you never actually play ranked TT, I played ranked TT for S3, S4, and S5 and majority of my matches were absolute one sided stomps because we were always against players/teams far below or far above our ranks.

Vistha Kai1 votes
  1. Of course, I knew Dynamic Queue is bad concept the moment Riot first spoke about it.
  2. You say you are indifferent, yet deny nigh-everything I say with nothing, but baseless opinions borderline hate, not backed-up with facts.
  3. How many times, eh. There is(was?) one queue for solo and duo players. The other is for people with two friends. The next one for people with four friends. As you can see the purpose of Dynamic Queue was void before it's concept was created.
  4. What's the point of stating something you said wasn't an attack despite it's apparent intentions being the opposite? Isn't that exactly what hypocrisy is?
  5. Should you actually bother reading OP, you'd understand that he never made up any facts like that. Which is what I was refering to. As for 3v3 balance, well. Are other queues any better when somebody makes a smurf? I'm not saying it's perfect, a link to one's "solo" ranking standing should be at least considered when seeding for team ranked, but it isn't any better for Dynamic queue which completely disregards rules of ranked voiding it's own standing system.

According to your match history on that account you never actually play ranked TT.

  1. Made up fact based on lack of information. Frankly, Bronze ranking can't be showed by services like LoLKing, or whatever you used, and it happened that we were being placed in Bronze despite going 5/0 in placement matches. I and my friends made several ranked teams, which we were disbanding after provisional matches, because it was much easier - or so we thought - to remade the team for a better seed, than to play possibly dozens of games to rise from Bronze 2/3 to Gold.
001100012 votes

This shit is like reading a paper by two, year 12 english teacher's assistants, on how to hump the same door knob...GG, QQ or w/e you do.item 3070 item 3070

Vistha Kai1 votes

Then you sure know some bright 12s.

I don't know anybody who was this good at writing in the elementary school.

001100012 votes

Last I checked, year 12 wasn't in elementary...but you know.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Ah, stereotypical american citizen. I bet when you are asked about a country starting with "U" you think "Utah".

Now, now. Don't get mad.

It may be true for United States, but there's a whole world outside of it.

For example in most European countries primary school varies between 6 and 10 years, with 8 grades being the most common.

001100011 votes

Ah, just like a European to start the name calling...

When you can afford to act smart(understandably can't). Then you may stumble upon comment your as asinine and irrelevant as your previous comment.

I, as I assume the rest of the world, don't expect much or anything from you Euros...

Much less a complete or coherent thought.

NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE YEAR 12 ISN'T IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

Grab a clue during the break!

Cheers M8!

P.S. I seriously am bored with this monkey chatter...

6KEMBE4ORBA3 votes

Have fun/tryhard with 3 friends ----> here's your separate MMR that shows you've been playing with your 3 friends in a ranked Dynamic group.

2 MMRS: SOLO and PARTY MMR (for 2s/3s/4s*/5s) for separate ranked ladders

Done.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Ranked 5s was a TERRINLE system that had no matchmaking whatsoever since it matches teams based in the "teams" mmr. For instance 5 Bronzes can make a team and get placed in B5. They now invite 5 diamonds and have them curbstomp bronzes because they will be placed against a "bronze" team, despite all 5 players being diamond.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Should you scroll down and read my later replies, you'd know, but I'll ask it anyway.

Then why not to fix 5v5, by tying Solo Q MMR to at least provisional matches, like they intend to do with Dynamic Queue, instead of creating much more serious problems that pretty much can't be fixed?

Mistress Madoka7 votes

{quoted} If they're with several friends, they're probably more focused on messing around than winning optimally anyway.

I'm gonna have to stop you right there, the main reason I play with friends is so I don't have to deal with Toxic Buttheads who do everything in their power to Ruin the game for others. I still Try to win, I still play competitively, But doing it with friends makes it that much less stressful.

In short, we're not there to just "Mess Around", We're there to play the same game you went to play. We just don't wanna deal with Mr. "Omg u missed 1 creep. reported no skill"

Kaiser Noah4 votes

Butthead? BUTTHEAD? YOU WATCH YOUR MOUTH YOU DOO DOO FART.

Hello I am Bird1 votes

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1NightRanger11 votes

The comment by LaughingStapler that if a group of friends are playing they are focused on messing around is in error, and completely wrong. I totally play with friends and try and load the team up as much as possible because I don't want random buttheads* who are indeed toxic. It never fails, I can get a team of three friends and me and the fifth random that drops in is a complete toxic hot head. LoL has made a mistake here, this game was built on the casual player, and if the casual player is ticked off, doesn't come back and stops watching their little national championship finals, quarterfinals and other, then the latter means nothing and will die too. The entire new queue is a mess and it sucks. Waiting 5-8 minutes setting up a game only to have someone quit or not choose their character is horrible, only to throw me/us back in queue to do it all over again. I now have been in multiple queues where people don't choose champion so it can take 20 minutes just to get a game going. Bring back the old queue, the normal draft sucks and people will stop playing.

Squidblimp3 votes

Good thing they're making a solo queue as well as dynamic queue now. Let it never be said that Riot doesn't listen, because they have listened! :)

K0zmonaut1 votes

do i agree that solo q should get stuck with 3-4 man premades no but hey i really enjoy being able to play ranked with my friends and just because there's only 3 or 4 of us we can still do that. i really didn't like being forced to play normal's against super troll team comps when i'm trying to better myself as a player ranked queue's are generally more serious and i appreciate not having to ditch at the least 2 of my friends to go play duo/solo queue cause i get fed up playing against the guy who's convinced he can make Rammus mid a thing

LaughingStapler3 votes

{quoted}

do i agree that solo q should get stuck with 3-4 man premades no but hey i really enjoy being able to play ranked with my friends and just because there's only 3 or 4 of us we can still do that. i really didn't like being forced to play normal's against super troll team comps when i'm trying to better myself as a player ranked queue's are generally more serious and i appreciate not having to ditch at the least 2 of my friends to go play duo/solo queue cause i get fed up playing against the guy who's convinced he can make Rammus mid a thing

We don't have to sacrifice the validity of ranked to do that. Even if you don't want to play normals, they can keep Dynamic Que and just show a separate Solo Que rating for those of us who want to focus on our own play most of all.

This would once again create an accurate ranking for at least the Solo Que group because everyone ranked there would have qued by himself (or perhaps they can allow duo que in the same ranking as is currently the case) . There will still be the issue of the Solo Que player facing a 4 man group sometimes or being the odd man out but at least it would be a consistent experience between Solo Que players. For rankings to make sense, it's necessary for players to have a similar experience for whatever they're ranked on. Otherwise they can't be compared to each other and yet the whole point of a ranking system IS to be able to accurately compare the performance of various players.

Celio Hogane HD1 votes

Oh thats easy, why? because Ranked is like normals BUT BETTER.

You get way more people that try to play good, and if you win you get rewards for that!

"but normal you get things" BUT IN RANKED YOU GOT MORE.

There is nothing to me in normal thats "Oh sure i want to play normals instead of ranked, because i can get that and enjoy the game at the same time"

Pokku2 votes

I usually play normals because there's less stress. I don't want to be stressed while playing a game.

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