If Riot Lied About Releasing Solo Queue, I'm Quitting This Game

LaughingStapler··261 votes·11,035 views

I've played more LoL than any other game but it seems like Riot may be finding a way of weaseling out of offering what their competitive player base demands and what they promised. My reference is this video.

Not only do I not give a shit about DQ rankings but I would also lose all trust in Riot as a company. It's bad enough that it's taking this long but to lie about it and not offer it at all is 10x worse. DQ is a farce for a competitive game. You have no idea if someone climbed with 3 of his friends smurfing or through his own skills and I consider it pretty meaningless as a ranked system. Any ladder where you have such discrepancies (grouping everyone from solo to 5-man on the same list) is laughable. I've written more about this at its inception here.

I've still played this game mostly because I expected SQ to come back but if Riot lied and decides that the integrity of the competitive experience isn't important to them, this game has no future for me. Most of what's fun is self-improvement and knowing that YOU earned whatever ranking you got over a large number of games. DQ introduces too many variables that make it hard to determine individual skill and improvement. It's about as silly to me as if instead of my chess ranking being 1vs1 we could each collaborate with 3-4 friends. How much stock would you put on that player's ranking? This game's already known as being friendly for casuals but removing SQ makes it ONLY for casuals even though normals already existed.

201 Comments

Dehitay19 votes

It's not a straight up lie yet because it's possible that enough of an outcry will make them release it. But as of now, Riot has absolutely no intention of releasing solo-queue. It would cause the team dynamic queue to fall apart as everybody who wants to play solo will simply move to solo-queue and ruin all the fills they have for premade teams that aren't 5 man premade. 2 and 3 man premades might also survive with ridiculously long queue times, but 4 man premades would obviously take forever to get into a game.

Bobloser35552 votes

Yep, both queues are impossible, it just wouldn't work.

FortisDominus16 votes

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Yep, both queues are impossible, it just wouldn't work.

only dynamic queue wouldn't work because no one would play it

Roasted Sigurd3 votes

That's not true at all. I play solely dynamic queue, because I hate the system of calling your lane. I can see how soloQ would be better for the competitive experience, but I'm just saying that not everyone would love it.

FortisDominus4 votes

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That's not true at all. I play solely dynamic queue, because I hate the system of calling your lane. I can see how soloQ would be better for the competitive experience, but I'm just saying that not everyone would love it.

well yea, i was talking about competitve soloq wise. Other than that, i would not mind having dynamic queue, just not for ranked unless its ranked 5s.

Pyrokineticmage12 votes

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That's not true at all. I play solely dynamic queue, because I hate the system of calling your lane. I can see how soloQ would be better for the competitive experience, but I'm just saying that not everyone would love it.

You do realize that the solo que ranked can have the same champ select option right?

Champ select options is an entirely different issue than dynamic que ranked.

Penta Penguin32 votes

It is not a lie AT ALL.

They once said "we're trying to bring back solo queue." They have come back to say "we may not bring back Solo queue"...

Where is the lie? Only these fucking boards would call it a lie when Riot comes out and tells the truth instead of being silent.

WadeWilson133712 votes

If you include all of the bs that is surrounding solo que since they announced it, you dont need to be a specialist in PR to understand that this has all been damage control, and quite pathetic attempts at it at that.

If Riot releases solo que, i PROMISE YOU, it was not of their own free will, rather the demands, outrage, and the fighting of this community to get what what promised to them. As a company Riot should be ashamed in themselves for the fact their fans have to do that.

Mech0p4 votes

While I completely agree with you its not based on what the comsumer wants anymore... ( ex: THe 2015 "Harrowing", New Mage update, Morde update, and that's just the last few months of 2015) This is all a strategy to get more money which is cool with me because I realize its a business and from a business pov DQ is so much better than SQ... Reason being is that when you play with friends and they all have skins you feel like you must get one to be apart of them its human nature and from there its just a dick measuring contest to see who can get the newest and coolest... But this isn't gonna work to well if it cost riots thousands of players in the end who aren't just casuals and are much more likely to invest more time and money into the game...

Spoofghoul5 votes

from a business pov DQ is so much better than SQ this isnt entirely true

short term DQ is probably more profitable

However as more dissapointed SQ players leave the game Queue times increase as there will be less and less solo players to fill the gaps in everything that isnt a 5 man premade.

And you have to remember, DQ is all about catering to casuals these players wont be nearly as committed to league as the more competetive players whom are demanding soloq

And as queue times increase the casuals wont bother putting up with longer queue times for these short games they only play a couple games a week and dont want to queue just as long as a game takes instead they will move on to the next ''thing''

This will further increase queue times and then the more commited players will also play less and less.

In the long run it will just make the game die out and the longer they wait to fix it the harder it becomes to fix because people leave for a looong time they gonna start playing other stuff and commit to that And lets not forget the trust issue's the left playerbase will have which will also stop them from coming back

Surfer Ashe4 votes

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If you include all of the bs that is surrounding solo que since they announced it, you dont need to be a specialist in PR to understand that this has all been damage control, and quite pathetic attempts at it at that.

If Riot releases solo que, i PROMISE YOU, it was not of their own free will, rather the demands, outrage, and the fighting of this community to get what what promised to them. As a company Riot should be ashamed in themselves for the fact their fans have to do that.

So what you're basically getting at is if Riot doesn't release solo queue, they're liars but if they do now, they're dicks?

Great incentive mate.

And we wonder why other gaming company's have learned not to share tentative information. Hint: it's because of shitty mindsets like this. Check your attitude.

WadeWilson13373 votes

You know whats even better than not giving tentative information? Not proposing a solution to your customer's issues with your companies choices to get them to put their pitchforks away, just to wait a few months to tell them youre not going to be of your word and make your unsatisfied fanbase happy.

iainB859 votes

So leading on your player base to what they want when you (so far) have no intention of releasing the said feature is much better?

The ball is in Riot's court to make this better. They still can, but with each response they get further and further from what the community actually wants.

UrPalAl3 votes

You have to realize that Riot is in a really bad position where releasing Solo Queue will destroy Dynamic Queue and piss their users off, and removing Solo Queue will piss that group off. Essentially, no matter what Riot does, a lot of people will be pissed.

Riot wasn't trying to lie, what's going on is that they had intentions to release it, but then realized how detrimental it would be to Dynamic Queue. So now they seem to be deciding that the safest route would be to try to improve Dynamic Queue as much as possible to make it more fair for everyone, including solo players. This is essentially Riot's dream, whether they can achieve it, who knows.

6KEMBE4ORBA4 votes

There is a easy workaround at Riot hands that will generally leave the 2 crowds satisfied.

  • playing solo --> you get SOLO MMR
  • playing with a group --> you get GROUP MMR
  • 2 separate ranked ladders for each, same DQ system

Done. Where is my paycheck?

KaisadiIIa4 votes

Your paycheck is nowhere because you've solved nothing. People don't want soloQ because they want to have two MMR (that's stupid). People want soloQ because they don't want to be paired with a premade on their team, nor they want to play against premades because their communication will be a huge advantage.

6KEMBE4ORBA2 votes

Don't intrude others conversation and twist my response to another person to batter me down with your silliy thoughts in your head.

I was replying to a specific post, that was presenting 2 sides of a problem, in the frames of which I've obviously solved the the issue as painlessly as it could possible be done, thus adressing the main concerns of the poster.

It seems you haven't thought about that as well as some other ppl, that are trigger-happy to downvote.

I'm pushing for a true SoloQ too as evident from my post history. And I can bet I've been pushing and fighting for it way harder and way longer than you. Confused much?

UrPalAl4 votes

No, he's right, you haven't solved anything, you've just highlighted the problem.

You see, Dynamic queue works by pairing say a 4 person pre-made with a solo player to form a full team. Solo queue players often act like fillers in Dynamic Queue, and help greatly reduce queue times for everyone. However, if Solo Queue was introduced, then these Solo Queue players wouldn't exist, or they would be too few of them and queue times would be incredibly long.

There just isn't a way to solve this perfectly. The two best solutions are to limit Dynamic Queue to 2,3,5 player setups, or just improve Dynamic Queue matchmaking, both of these have their downsides.

It seems to be that Riot is trying their best to improve the Dynamic Queue experience, and make things more fair for everyone. This is direction I would take as well, but it all depends on how well Riot can improve the current system.

Krazikarl37 votes

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It is not a lie AT ALL.

They once said "we're trying to bring back solo queue." They have come back to say "we may not bring back Solo queue"...

Where is the lie? Only these fucking boards would call it a lie when Riot comes out and tells the truth instead of being silent.

Incorrect.

Let's quote Riot:

"Because of this, we’ll launch a new Solo Ranked Queue (no duo’s!) in the coming weeks."

...

"To be clear, ranked queues for the 2016 season are:

Dynamic Ranked A few weeks after season start: Solo Ranked"

Originally they said, without ambiguity, that Solo Queue was coming. I mean, they said "TO BE CLEAR" solo ranked would be a ranked queue for the 2016 season.

They didn't say they were "trying" or they were "thinking about it". They said "TO BE CLEAR" it was going to happen this season, in a few weeks.

If they cancel it, their original statements are, without ambiguity, not true. We can debate whether or not that's a "lie" or a "change of plans", but don't try and change their words to "TRYING" to bring back solo queue when thats not what they said.

Just Shimakaze6 votes

A red also said "There is in fact a world in which solo queue does not exist". That's what all the uproar is about. As usual people don't look at the entire thing and take a snippet and be like "They aren't bringing it back" when they literally said there's only a chance.

Krazikarl12 votes

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A red also said "There is in fact a world in which solo queue does not exist". That's what all the uproar is about. As usual people don't look at the entire thing and take a snippet and be like "They aren't bringing it back" when they literally said there's only a chance.

They said that about a week ago. The post that I pulled was from January.

They originally said that "to be clear" there would be a solo queue this season, and it would be coming within a few weeks. Then 2 months later there was a world in which it does not exist. So it appears that there may be a world in which the original post from a red was not true.

That's the point. Like I said, a lot of people would probably call this a change of plans rather than a lie, but you can't really debate that what they orinally said just isn't true.

Just Shimakaze6 votes

Well, what I was saying is that everybody is ignoring the part where he meant that there's only a possibility it might not come back. True, they said that it would be back, and then changed it to where it's a possibility, but everybody is treating it like they never will and that it's the end of the world.

Jonxx3 votes

Well, sadly reading with understanding isn't strong point of people on boards, hence u got downvoted heh ;p

Just Shimakaze3 votes

T~T ikr... nice meeting you by the way. Anyways, have a nice night, cool random boards user

AwesomeChad14 votes

but they did lie. You should read the post on boards about why Riot is never releasing solo que. They were not planning on doing it in the first place. They only told us they would do it to dispel the protesters. And they've already hinted at the idea that theres a chance they won't do it (which is the same as "we're not doing it").

Penta Penguin12 votes

This forum is full of such miserable people these days

Riot literally said "we may not bring Solo Queue back" but you have to twist this shit all around and make it seem like they're 'lying'. They are not lying they are directly fucking telling you what may or may not happen.

And now there are dozens of threads of people bitching about SPLASH-ARTs

Riot could bend-over to give you everything you wanted and the boards would still find something to complain about

RedMercy and youtubers like him just spam weekly/daily videos every time Riot announces something to stay relevant and get views, and they especially love to report on controversy. It proves absolutely nothing because this is all an angry miserable circle-jerk of people who honestly should take a god damn break and come back to the game later with a fresh perspective.

Lenaro15 votes

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This forum is full of such miserable people these days

Riot literally said "we may not bring Solo Queue back" but you have to twist this shit all around and make it seem like they're 'lying'. They are not lying they are directly fucking telling you what may or may not happen.

And now there are dozens of threads of people bitching about SPLASH-ARTs

Riot could bend-over to give you everything you wanted and the boards would still find something to complain about

They actually said literally the opposite.

http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/GlxsVpAm-the-2016-ranked-season-updates-on-dynamic-ranked-and-your-feedback

They announced a recognition on their part that a significant number of people want SoloQ back and their intention to bring in back.

Because of this, we’ll launch a new Solo Ranked Queue (no duo’s!) in the coming weeks.

MalzaharAnyLane11 votes

Let's just dispense with the semantics.

First off, screw premades. They're toxic to anyone outside the group and that's simply human nature. That won't change, or at least change often enough to be noticeable. The only time this is NOT the case is when you're fortunate enough to agree with their calls and move into position without being asked, or flat out outskill the premade players in question.

Secondly, purely solo players are still at least 30 percent of their playerbase whether temporarily or permanently. I know I hate having my friends list full of 200 strangers whom I've forgotten what character they play and why they matter, nevermind how offensive that one asshat who spam invites everyone on his list whenever he's bored is.

Riot didn't 'lie' or rather, I don't particularly give a crap what their wording was to try to corporate doublespeak their way out of releasing it.

But I /do/ believe Lyte is lying about how difficult a decision it is to release solo queue given that the mechanics aren't that hard to work out. Make the decision in a vacuum, disregard Dynamic Queue, stop subjecting a solo player to curse/skype led 4 man teleport/jungle ganks bot any time they decide to have a fight break out. Stop subjecting every single competitive game to exclusively split-pushing and non-risky play once the gold lead is comfortable, create more time to make plays when behind and make more possibilities for a team that is 5k or 10k gold ahead to throw (without allowing them to split push all 3 lanes in without anything dedicated to split pushing and waveclear)

Bringing back 1000g bounties on carries who are at godlike status would go a long way toward shaking this season up, whether it's forcing them to split push enough to where they can actually be caught out, or whether they are forced to decide to teamfight more often without just baiting whoever comes to push the lane back out up the lane and into a gank. 500g is too much of a pittance for someone who is that hard to kill in the season of Everything Is Good But Mages And Tanks Are Mediocre

Splitting the whole baron buff into five stackable auras to force a team that wants to end the game to push a single lane in as 5 would also work to shake this season up properly, and that's without touching towers or death timers.

OneSmoothDude9 votes

First off, screw premades. They're toxic to anyone outside the group and that's simply human nature.

Not in my experiences. I've never once been a victim to premade bullying. And when I play with my friends we are always nice to people outside of our group. Don't use absolutes about things that aren't absolute.

Secondly, purely solo players are still at least 30 percent of their playerbase whether temporarily or permanently.

Source? Actually, if anybody has any hard numbers of any type for League players from within the last year, I'd love to see them. I'm having trouble finding any.

I know I hate having my friends list full of 200 strangers whom I've forgotten what character they play and why they matter, nevermind how offensive that one asshat who spam invites everyone on his list whenever he's bored is.

If someone isn't your friend, why are they on your friends list? Not only is this outside of the scope of discussion, but it's also pointless to complain about because you can solve this in 5 minutes any time you want. If you get offended because someone invites you to play a game, just delete that friend. Problem solved.

But I /do/ believe Lyte is lying about how difficult a decision it is to release solo queue given that the mechanics aren't that hard to work out.

You can think whatever you want of Lyte. You can say he's lying, and that's fine, so long as you admit that you have no legitimate reason to believe so. I'm sure he doesn't care about players' opinions of him at all, given how we've treated him in the past.

But don't say you understand 'the mechanics' behind how difficult implementing solo queue is. There is absolutely no way that any one of us could possibly understand the behind-the-scenes situations and difficulties Riot has to deal with every day. Saying you do is just extremely naive and arrogant. You do not know better than the whole of Riot.

Make the decision in a vacuum, disregard Dynamic Queue, stop subjecting a solo player to curse/skype led 4 man teleport/jungle ganks bot any time they decide to have a fight break out.

Good decisions aren't made in vacuums. You need to consider everything in order for it to be a good decision, right? Maybe I'm not understanding what you're getting at here.

Also, come on man. It's a 5v5 game with lots of strategic depth. I can understand why a solo player would find himself out of his depth, but that's the danger with sticking your head in the sand and acting like this isn't a team game. They aren't incapable of doing anything new, either; last season the term "clown fiesta" was borne/popularized and there were 5-man ganks (since mid took TP more often before it was nerfed) in bot lane. If the support lays down a ward in your bot lane bush, don't push up past it if their top lane has TP and the jungler is MIA. This is just good advice whether you're playing against a premade or not.

Bot lane has two people in it. It's more impactful to shut down two players on the enemy team than just one. Additionally, ADCs are weak early, as they scale from items. This is why bot lane is subject to such hellish plays early on. It's just a result of efficiency.

Stop subjecting every single competitive game to exclusively split-pushing and non-risky play once the gold lead is comfortable, create more time to make plays when behind and make more possibilities for a team that is 5k or 10k gold ahead to throw (without allowing them to split push all 3 lanes in without anything dedicated to split pushing and waveclear)

What does the pro meta have to do with solo queue? This is a completely different subject. Are you just looking for things to complain about?

Bringing back 1000g bounties on carries who are at godlike status would go a long way toward shaking this season up, whether it's forcing them to split push enough to where they can actually be caught out, or whether they are forced to decide to teamfight more often without just baiting whoever comes to push the lane back out up the lane and into a gank.

I like that you're suggesting ideas and trying to be helpful, but I really doubt that punishing players who get ahead to such an extreme degree would entice them want to take any risks. Long death timers and paper towers, yadda yadda.

Splitting the whole baron buff into five stackable auras to force a team that wants to end the game to push a single lane in as 5 would also work to shake this season up properly, and that's without touching towers or death timers.

I dunno, people don't seem too happy when Riot "shakes up" the game. The boards is still whining incessantly from all the shaking up this preseason did. I won't pretend to have any real idea whether or not that suggestion would be good for the game, but I do have one counter-argument, if I may play the Devil's advocate:

If a team wants to 5-man seige a lane when they get Baron, they can already do that. So in this case, the change has no positives, really. But as for negatives, there are two that I can see: 1) it would decrease the strategic value of split pushing (which you may be in favor of, by the sound of it. But why do you think split pushing is a bad thing? It prevents stalling and allows for a wider selection of champs in the top lane, for starters.), and 2) it would make Baron much less valuable of an objective. If all 5 auras are needed for it to be fully effective, then a team would not opt to risk taking Baron down unless they are absolutely sure they could do so without losing even one man. This hightened risk would only discourage people from taking it, which would probably be a bad thing, as Baron is intended to allow teams to crack open bases.

This game has seen its share of the seige meta in seasons past, much to peoples' chagrin. Do you dislike split pushing so much that you'd rather go back to that?

MyScreenIsGrey8 votes

Premades are toxic to everyone outside the group as they dont wanna blame their friends ive had this happen plenty of times

MalzaharAnyLane9 votes
  1. You are lying or don't remember the premade bullying.

  2. It's in the scope of discussion because the constant suggested reason for not putting in Solo Queue is it would make Dynamic Queue times longer. You and I both know a team of 10 solos is fundamentally a different game from any size premade being in the game whatsoever that isn't lagging.

3/4. The community has proven at least as often that they are right and Riot is not, if not moreso, than otherwise.

See: Fiora (OP now whereas she was decidedly a niche pick prior, the new passive is more OP than her old ult AND they let Tank Fiora be a thing)

Mordekaiser (rework failed, too risky to use in a meta where he has no base stats and bruisers are fun)

Zed/Talon (they have waveclear and base stats now, this is a massive problem making them a huge headache to balance, if they were more like LeBlanc they would die more and get the same amount of kills)

Quinn's movespeed (too fast between lanes)

Sion's unable to lane effectively now

DEVOURER/SATED. PERIOD. FERAL FLARE WAS A BAD IDEA AND THIS IS TOO AND IT KEEPS COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD.

Udyr in any meta where tanks and bruisers are strong (make his turtle shield not absorb turret shots and then we'll be talking sense for 4 man tower dives)

Removing Fortify (sure would be fucking handy to have about now where games are being decided at 25 minutes wouldn't it?)

the current death timers (single teamfights are deciding games, Season 4 was more fun than this crap)

Tower damage needs to go up rather than tower armor going up, during a 4 man dive on bot at 60 or 80 percent HP at least one person should deserve to die without flash

I could go on. But I won't...but I could. Riot pretty much has no clue what they are doing no matter how much data they collect, they always fail utterly to put it in the proper context. Not acknowledging that Solo Ranked is fundamentally a different game from Dynamic Queue and does not in fact make it any less of a team game would be a logic error I'd appreciate it if you and they stopped making. But I don't care if they 'lied' before or not as this is typical corporate behavior in order to avoid civil liability, just /fix it/.

  1. Silver is not pro meta. This is every single game I'm seeing in Dynamic Queue and it's uncounterable at such a low ELO. Even if you as an individual counter it, you cannot prevent your teammates from making the same fuckup. Silver and Gold are crapshoots whether anyone knows what they are doing and has any map awareness/prediction whatsoever. Nobody before Plat plans 10 minutes into the future like they should, UNLESS they are in a premade.

  2. Sieging is more fun than split pushing because as long as Heimerdinger or Illaoi aren't in the enemy team comp you can force a fight when someone is out of position. Whereas with the right gold lead they will either tank Baron and laugh at your attempt to contest it since Baron will barely tickle these bruisers in the meta, or dive your tower.

  3. No, forcing a 5 man push and siege is better than this split push crap every low ELO game devolves into once the enemy team has made a mere 2 or 3 ganks. Not even teamfights. Ganks. As soon as there's a 10 or 15 kill gap the game is over with death timers and towers such as they are. There are still people trying to ask low ELO players to drag a game out for 45 minutes, but if you lose the teamfight you're spending 10 minutes twiddling your thumbs doing nothing. A split pusher applies enough lane pressure without the baron buff, so force a winning team to fight as 5 and end it if you're going to give the team that's behind no come from behind play options. Yes, I'm tired of watching people split push while 4 people use their gold lead to laugh at 5 people, in the duration of a single teamfight you can lose two towers AND have the split pusher escape because all your gap closing or movespeed options are spent while the enemy team most likely fucked up, only lost one dude and retreated to laugh with their gold lead spamming GG during a stomp that you lost at minute 10.

Solo queue in and of itself won't fix these issues, but mitigating the advantage of Curse Voice and duo/tri/premades would put a lot of these playmaking problems into perspective. Right now it's impossible to tell how you screwed up even with a replay.

Pika31011 votes

From what I've personally witnessed for a very long time now, I'm not surprised to hear Rito being dishonest about something. Quite the opposite, Rto and lying have become so synonymous of each other, I'd honestly be amazed to hear them tell something truthful for a change. It's to the point that I just assume everything they say is a far cry from however the game's current state really is.

I've had to listen to Ritoers' forked tongues, like Meddler's too many times to think differently.

BIAKaboose8 votes

I mean plans change. Spectator mode was never meant to exist, it was supposed to be a system to view replays, but plans changed. Ao Shin is a great recent example, he got changed to Aurelion Sol because the plans changed and Ao Shin as he was first intended didn't fit.

Calling it lying when they're trying to be upfront about the issues they are facing is nothing beyond kind of rude, especially when they've been honest that it might not happen but that they are trying to make everything work.

WadeWilson133718 votes

But they arent trying to make everything work.

We have literally only gotten two ETAs, and that mess of a post over the course of over 2 months. If that is "everything" a multi-billion gaming company can do, then they are an embarrassment as a company.

The HeraId8 votes

Hoenstly, I want them to bring back solo q, and remake ranked 5s. That is what it was. You had a ranking as a TEAM in 5s, and you had a ranking separately for the performance you had playing yourself/with a partner. I understand what they did, and why; people didn't like not getting their position and such, hell I would be fine if they just had the current system and just made it like old solo q.

I am a bad player, I will admit that. However, I still feel that my experience in DQ has been legit worse then SQ. I preferred having to learn more then two roles, I ENJOYED that. I feel like everyone only playing 2 positions is 1) unhealthy for the game, and 2) if you put fll you get 90% of the time, so it doesn't count. If you want to be ranked based only on team play, played 5s, I liked that system.

Anywho, to each their own.

LaughingStapler6 votes

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Hoenstly, I want them to bring back solo q, and remake ranked 5s. That is what it was. You had a ranking as a TEAM in 5s, and you had a ranking separately for the performance you had playing yourself/with a partner. I understand what they did, and why; people didn't like not getting their position and such, hell I would be fine if they just had the current system and just made it like old solo q.

I am a bad player, I will admit that. However, I still feel that my experience in DQ has been legit worse then SQ. I preferred having to learn more then two roles, I ENJOYED that. I feel like everyone only playing 2 positions is 1) unhealthy for the game, and 2) if you put fll you get 90% of the time, so it doesn't count. If you want to be ranked based only on team play, played 5s, I liked that system.

Anywho, to each their own.

The new champ. select and the ability to pick your position has nothing to do with either DQ or SQ.

The HeraId3 votes

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The new champ. select and the ability to pick your position has nothing to do with either DQ or SQ.

It does to me actually. It may not for you. The only real differences to me between old queue and DQ is the fact that you can pick your position and have over a duo q.

LaughingStapler4 votes

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It does to me actually. It may not for you. The only real differences to me between old queue and DQ is the fact that you can pick your position and have over a duo q.

You just don't understand what you're talking about and what the terms mean. Please inform yourself. It's not about "to you" they are separate things.

The HeraId2 votes

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You just don't understand what you're talking about and what the terms mean. Please inform yourself. It's not about "to you" they are separate things.

I know perfectly well what I mean when I am saying them. Solo Q and Dynamic Que, different things. I am aware. Solo Q allowed for duo queing, and in the original model has the champ select we were all used to. DYnamic Queue, you chose where you go, and can have 5 man parties. Don't try to act condescending, especially when I agreed with your main point in the first place bud.

LaughingStapler7 votes

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I know perfectly well what I mean when I am saying them. Solo Q and Dynamic Que, different things. I am aware. Solo Q allowed for duo queing, and in the original model has the champ select we were all used to. DYnamic Queue, you chose where you go, and can have 5 man parties. Don't try to act condescending, especially when I agreed with your main point in the first place bud.

What you're not understanding is that the new champ. select and the ability to pick roles has NOTHING to do with DQ or SQ. This is a separate thing that would exist for both regardless. DQ just means you can group up with as many as 5 people and it tries to adjust the teams accordingly. That's all.

Sorry if I sound condescending. I'm honestly really pissed about having to quit what is currently my favorite game. I cannot support a direction where the SQ ladder simply doesn't exist at all even as an alternative. I feel like DQ is forced on me.

Banuvan6 votes

They did lie. You expect anything else from them? WHy do you think they haven't said a single word since they said that?

Angelfirelor5 votes

DQ is a joke. Most of those who are defending it are probably ppl who play in premades, taking advantage of all solo players who still bother to actually que up for this nonsense. I agree, if Riot does not bring solo que back, I will quit as well. There is currently no fun in getting stomped or flamed/harassed by premades. I'm not a masochist, I do not want to play a game that has reached whole new toxicity levels and discriminates against solo players. Most of my friends have already quit. I just tend to stay and grind a little bit more than they do. But even my patience is running out.

Some people say that "if you are matched against premades, it means you have premades in your team as well". Well, in my experience this statement is bullcrap. As a solo player, I get matched against premades approximately 1/3 of my games. Most of those are all solo players on my team vs 3-4 enemy premades or 2 premades on my team vs 4 enemy premades. You can guess the usual outcome.

Basically what Riot has done is it has taken the Team Builder (with its super long ques),removed the Solo Que to force all solo players into the new Team Builder, thus reducing its que times and called it the Dynamic Que. Solo players are cannon fodder here. Our sole purpose is to reduce que times for premades and fill the gaps. Riot thinks that forcing solo players into this abuse fiesta will work out since they have no alternative. Well, let me tell you something, Riot. We can always just uninstall and play other moba type games that actually have solo/due ques. And I am certainly close to doing that.

Everelda3 votes

here is why i wish to have solo q. 1 i cant afford a 20000$ computer with 3 screens and no lag when i have 1-3 chat systems open (seriously this is what people expect a gamer to have.

i also do not enjoy listening to 2-5 strangers yell at each other because they insisted on a chat

i listen to music to focus and to maintain a level of sanity

i cannot hear 4 people incoherently yelling at each other with time zones lag when i have 3 seconds to find out what they are yelling about while spotting that pain train coming my way .

i know that i cannot get beyond gold even with much improvements but enjoy the game all the same.

i do not enjoy being that slotted person that people shove all their anger on cause im not in their little social call

i do not enjoy surrender votes that come with this 4 man person entitlement as they almost always say ff at 20 cause they died once.

i prefer to play against like minded solo people even if i have to mute them sometimes as it actually has forced me to become a better laner than constantly fearing when that person will be joined by his 3-4 friends gangbanging me with no warnings at 2 mins cause lols (yes this happens in solo q but far far less often)

i would propose that rito makes it so you que solo you have 2-3 mins to be qued with other soloers after that you get slotted into groups this way you gradually as your mmr goes up get into more and more group situations. also they could have a check box when you que stating when clicked auto throws you groups as a test to see how many people actually like their forced teamplay (to make their widdle 3-4 man teams happy) let them gather data on this to see if people actually keep that box checked truthfully

Raelaem3 votes

I'll never understand why people have a problem with using normals for groups of friends. Ranked is me time... my time to shine... my time to show my friends "hey look what I did on my own" but nope Riot just wants to shove their will down our throat... Fuck you riot

zecastar3 votes

I should also add that certain cheese comps/strats. which you can't execute every game solo (team won't always agree or pick the champions and skills you want), can be executed without fail in DQ. This cheese can take all forms from a certain well-practiced stye of invade to a specific comp. played over and over (Malphite-Yasuo-Zyra-MF-Gragas etc.). This serves only to further mask one's true skill because it skews the game to very specific variables without requiring much adaptation.

There are some examples of this here.

Jahsuo Onfroy1 votes

LOL You do realize that if you're playing as a single person, where as the other people in both teams are communicating as a group that plays together, and you climb, that means that you are doing something more difficult than the old system was? I just love how you say that it's ruining the competitive experiance but unless you look at tags, lolnexus, or anything like that you wouldn't even know that you play with premades.

My favorite part about it is that you keep saying that you don't now if someone climbed on their own or with a group, but then again shouldn't you being worrying about your own rank instead of bitching on the forums?

Angelfirelor2 votes

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LOL You do realize that if you're playing as a single person, where as the other people in both teams are communicating as a group that plays together, and you climb, that means that you are doing something more difficult than the old system was? I just love how you say that it's ruining the competitive experiance but unless you look at tags, lolnexus, or anything like that you wouldn't even know that you play with premades.

My favorite part about it is that you keep saying that you don't now if someone climbed on their own or with a group, but then again shouldn't you being worrying about your own rank instead of bitching on the forums?

yes, you do see if ppl are premades. The new clan (club) tags show. It's pretty obvious. When loading screen shows 2-3 ppl with the same clan tag and your team has only pugs. You know you are fucked.

The ranking system loses its legitimacy when its being abused and nothing is being done to fix it. Premades vs pugs should not happen. It is poor sportsmanship, unfair and disheartening for solo players. I already play way less than I used to. I still have loads of time, I just don't feel like queing up to get ganked upon by 3-4 ppl with skype while all I have is a bunch of ragtag pugs.

BluePolarizer3 votes

lol playing solos vs. clan is like a boxing match where if the other guy is losing, he can call his friends from the stands to curbstomp you.

Jahsuo Onfroy1 votes

LOL? It's a 5v5 game, unless you're referring to if you start fights with the premade, then of course you're getting ganged up on. Anyone who thinks solo queue will make their ranking more valid, then you are fucking stupid, just flat out. It actually means more if you play solo in a system where people play in a coordinated group.

BluePolarizer2 votes

k have fun getting stomped in league. i will be having fun in the real world.

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