Am I the only one who can't stand these champs ?

option paralysis··37 votes·2,338 views

Darius Fiora

Every time I see someone pick these 2, I just wanna dodge. They are a big reason I stopped playing top lane. Try playing Wukong into Darius. Literally all you can do is stand in range just to get xp, if you try to farm, get ready to lose half your hp or die. Even if you get help from your jungle, he can be 0/2/0 and if you missplay just a bit and give him 5 stacks, well it's a free double for him and from then on, you need 2-3 people that can kite him to stop him. Fuck his combined healing on Q in teamfights too, he just won't die. You can't always afford to kite just him and he's still so hard to deal with. He's somehow always fucking fed when I see him. Fiora is hell to lane against, when she Q's you for true dmg+healing+ad dmg+ she gets ms to run away, I struggle really hard not to press that sweet altf4. Her W is also super annoying, you both wait for her to use it, but the problem is she can keep fucking you up until you use that crucial ability of yours, just to get fucked again. Her build item 3074 item 3071 item 3072 combined with healing of her own is just toxic as shit to play against. And yeah, both these champs have true dmg, Fiora even has a %hp true dmg. LOL kill meh now.

/rant done bois.

54 Comments

Schàdenfreude17 votes

Well I'm fine when I'm playing against Darius, but not Fiora. Darius' weaknesses are generally those who have greater range than him and can easily kite him, such as Pantheon and Jayce. He also doesn't do too well against Yorick (Nobody plays him, but still).

TheSingularity7 votes

Yorick Kled Yorick if I want to win. Kled if I want it to be fun, I am certain I can win and I want to humiliate a darius.

Then fiora parry's the second proc of kleds Q................

Tarbal817 votes

I agree. When I play Pantheon into Darius it's just a Roflstomp of a good time. The Main problem is Fiora. I don't know any other champ that can still duel you after falling so far behind other than her. Fiora is pretty nasty late game.

yoshi27902 votes

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I agree. When I play Pantheon into Darius it's just a Roflstomp of a good time. The Main problem is Fiora. I don't know any other champ that can still duel you after falling so far behind other than her. Fiora is pretty nasty late game.

Yasuo Tryndamere Jax MasterYi Olaf Warwick XinZhao Yorick Can duel Fiora.

Oelyk5 votes

Counter argument, some of those only if they are lucky, and if they have hard cc and Fiora parries it. EG Xin, Yasuo, Jax can get shit on if Fiora parries it, some easier for the Fiora to counter than others.

I don't think Olaf or WW can unless they are going a more fighter than tanky build path, because of Fiora's %true damage and the fact she can just run away.

Honestly I would only expect to beat a Fiora 1v1 if I was a full rage Tryndamere or a Jax who both have anti auto attack measures.

MuffledGarbage5 votes

Yorick actually is one of the few champs that can duelFiora ... problem is that you have to get lucky and bait her into spamming her Q into Yorick W before ulting and using E so minions smack her.

She'll either use W in an attempt to counter your damage or ult you and Q out of your W.

Either way you run for a few seconds while your minions smack her for free right before using summoner 3 and you use Q on her.

She'll either be dead or someone on her team will have shown up and you'll be dead so... yeah...

JarvansWAR1 votes

Shen Ironically a solid pick against Darius, you can utilize his slow cast times to whittle him down until you go in for the kill.

Kilanost11 votes

Fiora is busted. No question

Khadaver1 votes

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Chromatic Eagle1 votes

When?

Khadaver1 votes

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Chromatic Eagle1 votes

I'm confused. That link referred to her old kit and why they changed it into the new one.

Big Lincoln7 votes

people bitch about both of them every day, did you miss all of those threads? xd

Anidan2 votes

If I had to guess, this is either one of them there ez upvote threads, or they're just that new to the boards, because anything popular gets complained about at least several times a day, no matter what. Popularity = complaints in games.

TimX24968B1 votes

I would say its lack of knowledge leads to complaints more, considering what I've seen on the boards recently

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

I agree with op, when i play against this pain in ss aka Darius.... its hard. But come on he play a Weak pick (laner). When u play wukong u usualy know the early will be hard as fck.

Sexy Jack Rabbit7 votes

The absolute funniest thing about Darius is that he is probably the second biggest bully in the entire game. I think the only champion I've seen consistently destroy him is Quinn, and tbh she destroys anyone who isn't Pantheon or Fiora

Fiora could probably go for a love-tap nerf tbh.

Tarbal811 votes

My first laning phase as Pantheon against Quinn was blissfully one sided. I was SO HAPPY to find a champ I could dumpster Quinn with. She tried to roam mid, and I ulted in and killed her again. It was...It was beautiful.

Skins Project1 votes

Who's the biggest bully

The one I thought of was Renekton

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

He was the King till he got dethroned.

Spoofghoul2 votes

ironically he beats darius

Athenes Lulu7 votes

Darius is a bit difficult to peel from if you got no silences/stuns/etc though I do understand the struggles in lane, but Fiora...

Good luck peeling from that.

AstroFerrari 5 votes

For Fiora , just start playing Renekton or Rumble. I know it's a tough to swallow but most of her match ups are skill matchups.

As a Fiora main I do partially hope she gets a small nerf so people stop paying attention to her. At this rate she's going to get a heavy nerf she doesn't need.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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For Fiora , just start playing Renekton or Rumble. I know it's a tough to swallow but most of her match ups are skill matchups.

As a Fiora main I do partially hope she gets a small nerf so people stop paying attention to her. At this rate she's going to get a heavy nerf she doesn't need.

Pantheon fucks her over.

And I agree. Although her midgame is a bit strong compared to other late game champions, she needs it to not be destroyed by other duelists.

Her teamfighting/flanking is also a bit strong (I teamfighted with Fiora for the first 20 minutes of a game, and forgot I was doing it wrong...). I think a change converting 100% of her armor to bonus armor whenever she has a teammate nearby would be a suitable nerf to her teamfight (aka Last Whisper is waaaay more effective against her, and thus she takes a lot more ADC damage) without touching her splitting.

Also, she needs a way to duel Caitlyn without using flash.

TimX24968B2 votes

I find renekton to be able to deal with darius pretty well, too. just gotta start W instead of Q, and only engage him in bursts, don't let him bully you, outsustain him, and wait till he's low before you all in with an ult.

Frightning2 votes

Always start W on Renekton...some of the best level 1 trades in the game right there, AA,W,AA, walk away, with the enemy 200 hp lower for it.

SwiftKitten882 votes

they both hardcounter my main... but honestly i would rather see them than Shaco or Talon

TheSingularity1 votes

Who ur main?

QuickenedBlade2 votes

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Darius Fiora

Try playing Wukong into Darius. Try playing Wukong playing Wukong Wukong

R from stealth to instantly kill an entire team

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

Don't complain when u play a weak laner against a lane bully or/and skirmisher. So u stoped top lane because u couldn't play Wukong there... and u now u play Soraka [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Zelorxon1 votes

MmmmmmmmmmHhHHhHh

Tell me your wukongino builderino and i'll tell you who you are.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

I actually have issues going against Riven Yasuo at top, but of course, I'd get bashed on by the mains or the "Know-It-All" bronzies almost every time, especially when I asked if they're ban-worthy. Like fine, the next time I get bashed like this again, I'll just waste the ban on Aatrox.

Frightning1 votes

Who as? Because I know Riven is a pain as some top laners, and Yasuo can be a pest too (he's SO much easier to deal with when you're ranged or at least have cheap ranged poke on a stick).

DJMason881 votes

Try playing Lissandra or Poppy. If your team already has a frontliner/tank then go Liss, she will shit on any melee champ as long as you play well (she also has amazing team fighting and flanking opportunities). If your team needs a tank then Poppy, because her w blocks dashes and you can knock them away.

YoungSirJ0ey1 votes

Oh no, not the 2% max health true damage in lane. Whatever shall you do. And yes, we all know that lifesteal is cancerous and that draintanking is why Vlad and Aatrox now have weird windows of power, but that's a problem with lifesteal itself, and not the champions who use it.

SanD451 votes

If it might help, if fiora want to outplay you, she has to proc all 4 vitals on r. Stay near a wall and she won't be able to hit the last one. I might be wrong but I think fiora relies on vitals, it's all about positioning. Also her only closeup is her q so its kinda hard to get to backline=she has to focus frontline what is good for her (% true dmg) but she is easily countered if back line focus her she wont be able to last for long. Yeah it's kinda hard to play against fiora but no nerfs allowed until there will be another champ that can destroy juggernauts in lane. I play fiora when playing against some champion that I dont know much about like jayce and against juggernauts like darius.

Violet Fields1 votes

I can't stand Irelia . How are you suppose to kill her without going full crit MasterYi ?

A Basic Island1 votes

i hate darius. don't mind fiora as much but i still dislike her

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

Sad to say, but GIT GUD. I main Darius, so when I'm against one, he just gets destroyed. As long as you dodge his Q blade and stop the trade at 3 (or even 4) bleed stacks, he can't do anything. And Wu Kong is especially good at dodging his Q AND his R. WTF man?

JarvansWAR1 votes

Let's not forget Camille. I don't know how the fuck her win rate is so low, considering how she can pump out tousands of damage a second. With 3 damage items her Q can deal 900 true damage, and she gets tanky, has sustain, mobility, targeted CC, FFS that ult, god damn she is a nightmare. She has so many auto attack resets it looks like she has a shit ton of attack speed and the titanic hydra procs overlap each other

Fiora is another champion I hate, but at least her mobility has a condition besides "there has to be a wall."

I NEED HEALlNG1 votes

She's basically katarina. Just cc her. End of story

Oelyk1 votes

Wukong gets beaten by Darius every time. You can't beat him and it's always been that way.

I NEED HEALlNG1 votes

Because Wukon is fair

Free escapes and damage

Logic

I NEED HEALlNG1 votes

Play Quinn into Darius ez pz.

Play pantheon into anyone, he's completely broken. Ez win

Troll for Trump1 votes

picks a champ countered by Darius

"wtf Darius OP nerf nerf"

Fiora's bad vs Darius though. Not an ROFLstomp, but he can duel her, even lategame.

susanthestrong1 votes

Illaoi If you are good enough with her and know the tank/bruiser/fighter match up she is unbeatable 1 on 1 period.

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

TL;DR don't FP Wukong top or pick Wu into Darius.

Neither are soul-crushingly hard to play against. About as challenging as any other top laner.

NGNL Asian1 votes

Only fools want to 1v1 fiora

l Dárius l1 votes

uhhh. learn darius's obvious counters and except the fact that fiora gets to be retarded because she is the "grand duelist"

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