Azir and Corki nerf but no tristana nerf

D357R0Y3R·Aug 6, 2019·6 votes·2,476 views

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24 Comments

EedatAug 6, 20196 votes

Why would they beg nerf Trist? Because she has 46% winrate 1% playrate top?

D357R0Y3RAug 6, 20194 votes

Read what I said

those 3 champs are a problem in pro but one of them is escaping nerfs

CrazyMonkeyCZAug 6, 20195 votes

Bcs she isn't anywhere near the power of super scaling beasts like these 2?

(also no J4 nerf...)

kaijukittenAug 6, 20196 votes

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Bcs she isn't anywhere near the power of super scaling beasts like these 2?

(also no J4 nerf...)

Why are they downvoting you? You're right.

letsfeedtogetherAug 6, 20197 votes

tristana is one of the best scaling adcs in the game. so no he is not

ZephyrDrakeAug 7, 20193 votes

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tristana is one of the best scaling adcs in the game. so no he is not

Yes he is. Corki and Azir scale better than tristana and are more annoying to deal with than tristana. Sorry but your bias means nothing

D357R0Y3RAug 6, 20195 votes

Because all 3 of them are problematic champions in proplay

but one of them is avoiding nerfs

XavanicAug 6, 20196 votes

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Bcs she isn't anywhere near the power of super scaling beasts like these 2?

(also no J4 nerf...)

She's a hyper carrying lane bully, she has no bad points in the game rn, in fact, she excels at all of them and honestly, needs nerfs

OtterlyLostAug 6, 20195 votes

[removed by moderation] She's like a worse Draven; she needs to win her lane or she won't do anything. I play her all the time and I know that her late game isn't that good, even if she wins early. She gets hard out scaled. Why would you play Tristana for late game when Jinx gets better, longer range than her at level 9. Why would you play Tristana for late game when Kaisa and Vayne have better mixed damage and deal with bruiser's better. Why would you play Tristana for late game when Twitch has a better burst combo for teamfights. Why would you play Tristana for late game when Sivir has better AoE and pushing power and can facilitate her team better.

Why would you play Tristana for late game when her WR past 35 minutes is actually lower than her late game winrate by a whole .5%. She isn't good at all points of the game. That require her to be good ever. If she doesn't win before 25 minutes, her WR drops to a 47%. It doesn't go up until extreme late game and even then it doesn't even pass her early game WR.

She's an all or nothing champion. Either she shit stomps you for inting into her early or she just rolls over and does nothing for the rest of the game.

TLDR: Tristana is fine and doesn't need a nerf.

XavanicAug 6, 20194 votes

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??? Are you an idiot? She's like a worse Draven; she needs to win her lane or she won't do anything. I play her all the time and I know that her late game isn't that good, even if she wins early. She gets hard out scaled. Why would you play Tristana for late game when Jinx gets better, longer range than her at level 9. Why would you play Tristana for late game when Kaisa and Vayne have better mixed damage and deal with bruiser's better. Why would you play Tristana for late game when Twitch has a better burst combo for teamfights. Why would you play Tristana for late game when Sivir has better AoE and pushing power and can facilitate her team better.

Why would you play Tristana for late game when her WR past 35 minutes is actually lower than her late game winrate by a whole .5%. She isn't good at all points of the game. That require her to be good ever. If she doesn't win before 25 minutes, her WR drops to a 47%. It doesn't go up until extreme late game and even then it doesn't even pass her early game WR.

She's an all or nothing champion. Either she shit stomps you for inting into her early or she just rolls over and does nothing for the rest of the game.

TLDR: Tristana is fine and doesn't need a nerf.

She scales harder then most, and on top of that, one again, SHE IS A LANE BULLY, she doesn't suffer from the weak early games of say jinx/vayne/sivir, she actually can even duel early lucian, basically, shes a good overall champ with little to no consequences to playing her, which is the problem, while most adcs at least have some exploitable weakness....she doesnt, assassin wants to assassinate her? nope, she pressed R, juggernaut going for her, W, wanna duel her? well she gets 110% attack speed at the press of a button, this is the problem

OtterlyLostAug 6, 20195 votes

"Weak Early Game."

Sivir's WR Pre25 Minutes: 53% Jinx Pre25 Minutes: 53% Kaisa Pre25 Minutes: 50% Twitch Pre25 Minutes: 49%

Yes. So weak.

And no, she actually cannot duel Lucian early game. His double passive means that he will out put more damage than her at levels 1-5. In a 1v1, unless Trist is fed beyond belief, she will lose to a Lucian every time.

Also, she does have an exploitable weakness, its just for some reason everyone always ignores it. I mean, its not if her WR post 25 minutes doesn't drop 51% to 47%. Its as if being a champion who is only good at taking towers in the mid game and has no meaningful way to deal with tanks means that you suck then. I also like how you're complaining about her getting 110% AS at level 13 when Jinx gets 700 range, AoE Critting rockets at level 9. You literally don't even need AS when you can just AoE Crit an entire team down. But sure, Tristana's 51% early game WR that transitions into a 47% post 25 minute WR is more problematic than the 53% WR Jinx who's post 25 minute WR Is only 1% lower. And she scales better than Tristana.

But yeah, its totally not you being bad at all for not exploiting her incredibly bad mid game, the fact that she can't not push or freeze, the fact that she actually cannot farm under turret either(meaning you should probably be pushing her in), the fact that her low range early game means she can't avoid being poked out of lane by a Sona let alone the ever common mage supports, the fact that her only forms of escape are long CDs(22 second jump, 100 second Ult, 300 second Flash), that she's incredibly gated by long CD's(Q is affectively a 9 second CD post level 13; it spends most of the early game as a 13 second CD, her jump has already been discussed multiple times, her E gets down to a 14 second CD at the lowest and at the lowest her ult is 100 seconds), her mid game teamfights suck(she doesn't have big AoE like some other hyper carry ADCs and her E is single target meaning it isn't very good for teamfights in the least and she usually has, at most, IE and a Zeal at the start of mid game meaning she doesn't have a ton of AS or damage yet), her AS growth is one of the worst for an ADC's in the game meaning late game her AS without Q will be still lower than any of the other ADCs, the only way she wins game is to win lane and she has to go in in order to hope to gain a kill, if she loses her lane, she's not coming back, that's it, she's done...

The absolute list of weaknesses this champion has is staggering. If you're so bad you can't find them yourself, that's a you problem and not a problem with the champion.

XavanicAug 6, 20194 votes

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"Weak Early Game."

Sivir's WR Pre25 Minutes: 53% Jinx Pre25 Minutes: 53% Kaisa Pre25 Minutes: 50% Twitch Pre25 Minutes: 49%

Yes. So weak.

And no, she actually cannot duel Lucian early game. His double passive means that he will out put more damage than her at levels 1-5. In a 1v1, unless Trist is fed beyond belief, she will lose to a Lucian every time.

Also, she does have an exploitable weakness, its just for some reason everyone always ignores it. I mean, its not if her WR post 25 minutes doesn't drop 51% to 47%. Its as if being a champion who is only good at taking towers in the mid game and has no meaningful way to deal with tanks means that you suck then. I also like how you're complaining about her getting 110% AS at level 13 when Jinx gets 700 range, AoE Critting rockets at level 9. You literally don't even need AS when you can just AoE Crit an entire team down. But sure, Tristana's 51% early game WR that transitions into a 47% post 25 minute WR is more problematic than the 53% WR Jinx who's post 25 minute WR Is only 1% lower. And she scales better than Tristana.

But yeah, its totally not you being bad at all for not exploiting her incredibly bad mid game, the fact that she can't not push or freeze, the fact that she actually cannot farm under turret either(meaning you should probably be pushing her in), the fact that her low range early game means she can't avoid being poked out of lane by a Sona let alone the ever common mage supports, the fact that her only forms of escape are long CDs(22 second jump, 100 second Ult, 300 second Flash), that she's incredibly gated by long CD's(Q is affectively a 9 second CD post level 13; it spends most of the early game as a 13 second CD, her jump has already been discussed multiple times, her E gets down to a 14 second CD at the lowest and at the lowest her ult is 100 seconds), her mid game teamfights suck(she doesn't have big AoE like some other hyper carry ADCs and her E is single target meaning it isn't very good for teamfights in the least and she usually has, at most, IE and a Zeal at the start of mid game meaning she doesn't have a ton of AS or damage yet), her AS growth is one of the worst for an ADC's in the game meaning late game her AS without Q will be still lower than any of the other ADCs, the only way she wins game is to win lane and she has to go in in order to hope to gain a kill, if she loses her lane, she's not coming back, that's it, she's done...

The absolute list of weaknesses this champion has is staggering. If you're so bad you can't find them yourself, that's a you problem and not a problem with the champion.

my god, your prob the guy that compains the jungler ganked him for the 10th when your pushing to your enemies tower...eh? no reasoning, just trying to justify tristanas busted kit with false facts, you realize she's being played in every lane rn because she's so good, right?

OtterlyLostAug 6, 20194 votes

??? False facts? There are no false facts here. I literally pulled everything from stat websites or Tristana's own kit descriptions. I would love if you could please highlight one inaccurate fact so I can soundly prove you wrong. I would even provide sources for you.

And no, she's being played in every lane because she's not a Flavor of the Month thanks to some dick head in proplay. She's not got above a 50% WR in ANY OF THE THREE LANES. And since you're so keen on saying I'm pulling shit out of my ass, here is her OP.GG stats for each lane:

Bot Lane: https://na.op.gg/champion/tristana/statistics/adc A juicy, spicy 49.34% WR. This is actually her highest WR.

Mid Lane: https://na.op.gg/champion/tristana/statistics/mid Wow, its even better! 46%! Super broken, let me tell you.

Top Lane: https://na.op.gg/champion/tristana/statistics/top Watch out guys, super broken champion here at 47% WR.

Please, I'd love love love for you to provide any fact from my original post that you believe(falsely) is incorrect. :) This 1 million point Tristana main would love for you to tell her how she doesn't know her champion.

XavanicAug 6, 20194 votes

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??? False facts? There are no false facts here. I literally pulled everything from stat websites or Tristana's own kit descriptions. I would love if you could please highlight one inaccurate fact so I can soundly prove you wrong. I would even provide sources for you.

And no, she's being played in every lane because she's not a Flavor of the Month thanks to some dick head in proplay. She's not got above a 50% WR in ANY OF THE THREE LANES. And since you're so keen on saying I'm pulling shit out of my ass, here is her OP.GG stats for each lane:

Bot Lane: https://na.op.gg/champion/tristana/statistics/adc A juicy, spicy 49.34% WR. This is actually her highest WR.

Mid Lane: https://na.op.gg/champion/tristana/statistics/mid Wow, its even better! 46%! Super broken, let me tell you.

Top Lane: https://na.op.gg/champion/tristana/statistics/top Watch out guys, super broken champion here at 47% WR.

Please, I'd love love love for you to provide any fact from my original post that you believe(falsely) is incorrect. :) This 1 million point Tristana main would love for you to tell her how she doesn't know her champion.

Ah alright now I get it, no reason to talk to you anymore, your bias will always favor trist no matter how hard facts slap you in the face

OtterlyLostAug 6, 20195 votes

Wow, the irony of this reply is hilarious. I'm so sorry you can't see it. I mean, I literally just linked sources to my facts(not opinions, my facts) and you just completely ignore it. And you never once call out which of my facts apparently false, lol. Okay, Mr. Hypocrite. Glad to know you can debate with the best of us and you don't totally turn tail and run when indisputable facts are placed in front of your face.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

XavanicAug 7, 20194 votes

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Wow, the irony of this reply is hilarious. I'm so sorry you can't see it. I mean, I literally just linked sources to my facts(not opinions, my facts) and you just completely ignore it. And you never once call out which of my facts apparently false, lol. Okay, Mr. Hypocrite. Glad to know you can debate with the best of us and you don't totally turn tail and run when indisputable facts are placed in front of your face.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Every time i see the little bitch she goes 20/1 at worst, honestly anyone who plays her is a scumbag, her E takes half my fucking health bar level 1 for christ sakes and thats with double armor runes, also win rates mean nothing, akali proved that

OtterlyLostAug 7, 20196 votes

So wait you're standing in range of her with her E on you just taking the AAs to charge it up and you're mad it does damage? Wat. What the hell do you expect to happen if you just let her free stack her e? I'm sorry but if you're letting your opponent do shit like that, it isnt the champion being broken, it's your brain.

XavanicAug 7, 20194 votes

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So wait you're standing in range of her with her E on you just taking the AAs to charge it up and you're mad it does damage? Wat. What the hell do you expect to happen if you just let her free stack her e? I'm sorry but if you're letting your opponent do shit like that, it isnt the champion being broken, it's your brain.

how can i not? she's being played top, outside of just not farming i will always have to be in her range if i want to CS

OtterlyLostAug 7, 20194 votes

You can not by yes, literally not farming and backing off for a few seconds. That's literally all you have to do. It's a long as fuck CD and costs a decent chunk of mana on a champion who has a very tiny mana pool. You build tabbies as well. If she isnt getting to free stack her bomb on you, shes just wasting mana and CDs. She doesnt have 100% up time on it and again, if you're just standing there like an idiot taking the damage, it's not the enemy champion or your opponent's fault. It is literally yours.

XavanicAug 7, 20191 votes

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You can not by yes, literally not farming and backing off for a few seconds. That's literally all you have to do. It's a long as fuck CD and costs a decent chunk of mana on a champion who has a very tiny mana pool. You build tabbies as well. If she isnt getting to free stack her bomb on you, shes just wasting mana and CDs. She doesnt have 100% up time on it and again, if you're just standing there like an idiot taking the damage, it's not the enemy champion or your opponent's fault. It is literally yours.

but then she just follows up with W to finish popping it, and since her W resets on popping it, she just jumps back to safety, no top laner has the dmg to burst someone in such a short amount of time minus maybe riven/renekton, but even then, since bone plating is a thing it becomes even harder, and once she can get a single kill, thats when the bullshit begins, she starts doing so much dmg that she will literally just go ham the moment you get into lane, and once she gets since you cant even fight back since she will just ult you away, i tried it yesterday a couple of times, and tbh she feels too safe, literally anything even jungle ganks are just negated by your W

OtterlyLostAug 7, 20191 votes

She does damage as a champion intended to do damage by doing her full damage combo on someone who stays in range for her to proc E apparently at level 1. You know, when she totally has her full combo.

Your narrative was that she's half healthing you at level 1 with her E, to which I've already debunked that if she is, you're just standing there like a knot on a log getting AA'd to death to let her charge it up. Now you've moved the goal post of your argument, I assume, because Tristana isn't one of those champions who gets to have two abilities at level 1.

To which, I again say, if she's getting free AA procs on you for her E, you're not respecting her damage. And if she's jumping in and doing her full combo, you're losing the arms race to level 2 and not backing off, something you would do with any other opponent getting level 2 first. I'm sorry, do you lose the race to level 2 and stick around with a renekton/riven?

Secondly, for later levels, if she's doing that to you, she's jumping under your tower and many many top laners have displacements that they can use to stop her second jump... leaving her probably under your tower and definitely in melee range with you. Just a few I can think off the top of my head who have displacements:

Darius Aatrox Camille (her dash actually does displace and stun) Chogath Galio Gragas JarvanIV Jayce Kled Maokai Mordekaiser Nautilus Ornn Poppy (actually fucks her over hard but no one wants to play her for some reason) Riven Sion Swain Sylas Urgot Volibear Yasuo Singed (like Poppy, also fucks her hard if he is good with his flip and ground goo)

And these are all champions who can do it with a basic ability. But you're telling me that you play none of them on this list?

And I say she's jumping you under turret because unless, for some strange reason, you're getting a tiamat to push your lane out, you probably froze on her outside of your turret. She's probably a sitting duck for your jungler to come top and murder her. There is no reason for a good top laner to lose to a Tristana unless the Tristana is like... god like. And its proveable that top laners are not losing to Tristana's. You know, a 47% WR is not positive.