with utility?
woah that sounds great, she deals a darius lvl of damage while having mobility+sustain+tankiness and on top of that, has a great utility
what is possibly wrong oh the laning phase that is as strong as riven
MissingKayo3 votesSure, if you consider Irelia a juggernaut too.
Sona x Rubick3 votesIrelia utility is trash she doesn't have 20% max hp shield and falls of late game, her damage is no-where near to be as high as a juggernaut
i'll wait until you play against a camille doing 1k true damage every 2 seconds, because yes she converts sheen damage into true damage
Lol, Irelia is so garbage right now and we're waiting for her VGU, thinking that irelia is as good as camille makes you a total mongoloid
Thefrostyviking1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tpiccRha,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-12-17T15:39:23.598+0000)
Irelia utility is trash she doesn't have 20% max hp shield and falls of late game, her damage is no-where near to be as high as a juggernaut
i'll wait until you play against a camille doing 1k true damage every 2 seconds, because yes she converts sheen damage into true damage
Lol, Irelia is so garbage right now and we're waiting for her VGU, thinking that irelia is as good as camille makes you a total mongoloid
Think riot wrote something about nerfing the true damage though, once that's down or gone she'll be the same more or less.
MissingKayo3 votesI think you need to learn how to read basic English instead of ranting when you don't even understand what I was saying.
If Camille is a juggernaut, by that logic, Irelia is a juggernaut.
Juggernauts are defined by lack of mobilty. Both Camille and Irelia have it. They're also defined by LOTS of AoE, a la Darius/Illaoi being good examples. Camille and Irelia do not have meaningful AoE. They are EXCLUSIVELY single-target fighters.
But congratulations on whining and bitching on an irrelevant tangent.
Sona x Rubick1 votesthen it has nothing to do with this thread, this thread is about camille doing a juggernaut job while having other strengths
MissingKayo2 votesOh my fucking god.
SHE DOES NOT DO A FUCKING JUGGERNAUT'S JOB.
BY THAT LOGIC, FIORA, IRELIA, AND EVERY OTHER SINGLE-TARGET DUELIST DOES IT TOO. BECAUSE DUELISTS ARE FORCED TO BUILD BRUISERS TO SURVIVE.
Sona x Rubick1 voteslike i said, i'll wait until you played against a camille
then compare it to garen/darius
MissingKayo1 votesI have played against Camille multiple times.
I'll wait till you actually understand the topic instead of continually going off on tangents.
TTK Dreadnought2 votes"They're also defined by LOTS of AoE"
where did this come from? thats not what helps define a juggernaut. Having AoE abilities help in teamfights (where juggernauts are often best) and help with farming but its not what helps define a juggernaut. especially when many many other champs have AoE.
Juggernauts are define by: innate tankiness or sustain high damage when in range low or limited mobility low or limited crowd control
MissingKayo1 votesBecause they take on entire teams to fight. If they were a single-target duelist, they would never survive fighting entire teams at once. Sure, it might not be a technical "REQUIREMENT" in the sense of the word, but it's something almost every single juggernaut has so they can actually do their job.
Thefrostyviking1 votesHow is camilie a juggernaut tho? O_O She is nothing like darius, shyv, garen or morde.
I think she's more similar to champs like jax, irelia and fiora.
Spicy Rice1 votesJuggs are supposed to be the tankier version of fighters, able to wipe out al it's anyone, as long as they can keep them in range.
I think the problem with Camille, is that with her shield and built in sustain, she feels like you are playing against a juggernaut that also has ridiculous sticking and escape potential
MissingKayo2 votesCamille is entirely single-target in all relevant damage though. Juggernauts have AoE to take on whole teams.
Dreadlocks1 votes
? Utility Assassin ?
Craft Zeppelin1 votesjuggernauts generally have AOE attacks. cam has none.
BBQChicken Alert1 votesIs her W not considered AoE?
Craft Zeppelin1 votesIs her W not considered AoE?
if it did damage like darius Q or illaoi tentacles its not OP. its BUSTED
BBQChicken Alert1 votesBut it still IS like darius' Q. It heals and if you hit it at the edge it slows by a large amount. I don't think it needs to be OP to be considered an AoE ability.
Spicy Rice1 votesGaren and morde are juggernauts, and they don't have aoe on Darius or illaois level either
Craft Zeppelin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tpiccRha,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2016-12-17T17:31:40.490+0000)
Garen and morde are juggernauts, and they don't have aoe on Darius or illaois level either
if you think a adc can tank a garens spin with cleaver. you must be out of your mind lol
Spicy Rice1 votesi've seen it done. Unless garen is exetremely fed/adc is underfed, an adc can definitely tank his damage
GULAG 4 U1 votesYou didn't list camille's ult up there. You listed Aatrox's.
Ralanr1 votesShe's probably just a bit overtunned right now.
