Time and time again they come out with broken upon release champions (
((kinda))) and ivern is a prime example of what SHOULD happen. Release them, give the people a feel for their kit but not too overwhelming and then buff/nerf accordingly. But for now i am waiting for the "we done goofed on camille" steak dinner from riot
Ralanr19 votesProbably because (at least as people tell me) Riot wants to make as much money as possible with each release.
I prefer a new champion to be on the weaker side as it gives people more of a reason to play safe and learn the tricks with them. Because when they are OP, people lose a lot of what they gained when the champion gets nerfed imo.
Best example I can think of is Poppy right after her rework. I loved her and learned a lot, but after they removed the AA reset and shortened her ranges I felt like I had to relearn her all over again (it's actually why I'm worried about her getting nerfed to hard. Having to relearn a champion you were confident with sucks).
Succubús GF2 votesI could actually see the coincidence in -x champion released is broken spend rp to get them- I actually feel the same, when my main-ish (kat) got reworked i was a little frustrated having to relearn her but she wasnt busted broken upon release and you actually had to think about dagger placements and stuff like that. Also wtf? Poppy is not getting MORE nerfs, i refuse.
Ralanr1 votesShield passive duration reduction and reduced damage on snapcast ult.
IA9hRfpP5q11 votesThe enemy jungler cries when:
support + any jungler
wandering into your jungle and stealing your stuff whenever he sees you top lane.
my favorite color... IS STEALING YO SHIT AND SECURING THE RIVER CRAB
dominusx7 votesi really cant remember the last balanced champ released. Everything is either utterly broken or utterly worthless. People called ivern worthless but he quicky became on of THE most toxic champs in the game and gto toned down. and he is stupid super strong and annoying.
Ralanr2 votesRework Yorick?
dominusx1 votesOh shit. yeh maybe sion too but thats pretty old
Samflash31 votesBut the ones you remember are the ones that were OP. Those leave a lasting impression on you.
Pommel Knight1 votesHe's balanced. They just gave him qol changes.
Arakadia1 votes
Maybe sorta weak on release, but pretty strong if you knew how to play him.
Ariel the Cruel2 votesI Still here the /all chat rage from that Tryndamere I ulted way back when. Managed to him him during his ult, butnot my ADC that he was diving.
Bard things.
ChaddyFantome2 votesi really cant remember the last balanced champ released. Everything is either utterly broken or utterly worthless. People called ivern worthless but he quicky became on of THE most toxic champs in the game and gto toned down. and he is stupid super strong and annoying.
Vel'koz? Taliyah?
dominusx10 votesTali? one q cleared a whole wave lmfao. Velkoz is AGES ago talking about semi recent past
morris14 votesOn release Taliyah was very much on the weak side, they had to hotfix her because she was horrible to play.
dominusx1 votesi think she was actually bugged thus got hotfixed i dont think it was a numbers change when she got hotfixed
Spoofghoul2 voteswell velkoz was sort of balanced on release right now i consider him broken
he doesnt even need to build mana anymore and deals most of his damage as true damage
It Hertz When IP7 votesDodge? All of his abilities are skillshots and he has to hit you several times with them for that true damage. Oh, and during his ult, he's freaking rooted to the ground. Take advantage of that.
Supreme Senpai692 votesAs a frequent Vel'Koz player... he totally needs to build mana. That dude goes oom so quick lol. On a good game 1/6th of my damage is true damage. Which is a lot but by no means is it my most. Most of my damage comes from my combo + TLDs proc and Q poke. The passive is just icing on the cake.
ChaddyFantome1 votesTali? one q cleared a whole wave lmfao. Velkoz is AGES ago talking about semi recent past
Tali was fine on release. The clearing minions with 1 Q was a buff that happened a patch or 2 after her release.
lucario8883 votesHow about Kled? He only got nerfed slightly after release
dominusx4 votesprobably the most disgusting pile of shit out of all of em. second to ivern
Arakadia1 votesI'd say Kled went pretty well.
BBQChicken Alert2 votesHis ult was pretty retarded when he was released.
Arakadia1 votesI was thinking about Kled, but some people really hate him.
YFisfabulousBRUH1 voteskled is life
ChaoticPinecone1 votesA.Sol. Kled. Bard.
ModAcademy Kayn3 votesFunny enough, the Super Aggro in your face all the time Kled, has been pretty stable, with the only nerfs being ult range (and then the W passive, but that's to make up for the remount speed)
Sire Hippington3 votesWell, Ivern is a bad example, he was more like yasuo, atleast for high elos. Released actually to strong, then buffed on top off that because people took a long time to get used to him and then finally nerfed, but still not enough(he's on a 55%+ winrate in plat+ since 3 patches now....)
But generally, i also prefer new champs and reworks to be released undertuned rather than overtuned, feels more rewarding for those that actually like the champs if they do master a weak champ and then get buffs, while fnding a new champ for yourself just to get a couple of nerfs on him feels rather bad.
Elite4Runner2 votesStrong champions get more gameplay.
It is very difficult for Riot to know if a champion is going to be balanced or overpowered.
Camille is not a good example, but I don't believe they expected her to be as overpowered as she is currently.
Regardless, if a champion is not played it is hard for them to know what is overpowered.
Ideally they want them to in the upper tier, but not broken.
Strong champions also sell.
Riot is still a business, and they want to make more money.
That is just the way that it works.
Balance can be adjusted in time.
Dengeden2 votesIvern had a high winrate, banrate and playrate, unlike Camille and Illaoi.
Newsflash, just because a champion depends on his team a little doesn't mean he can never be broken. Every champion depends on their team.
warpenguin5551 votesIllaoi was shit on release.
Kindred was balanced on release because release Kindred was only balanced in the hands of inexperienced players.
I do agree with the rest of the post though
Lucian Waifu1 votesShe is already getting two small nerfs for the next patch. She is getting her passive shield reduced to 1.5 second duration at all levels and lowering her HP gained per level from 95 to 85.
Darth Sidiouss1 votesJhin was like this too i believe they buffed him the following patch i think and everyone was saying he was so bad and this and that.
Noblewind1 votesTaliyah, A Sol, Jhin. Don't forget the releases that were underpowered too.
I still don't know what a Kled is
RogueWill1 votesOr Vi that has similar amount of bugs as Azir upon release
IA9hRfpP5q1 votes should be like Veigar's E
It gives a warning that the cage is gonna be "put up" and ANYONE who's in it get's trapped in it.
So its like an actual boxing ring with people fighting.
It also would be cool if they hotfix it so that people from the outside cannot interact in any way with the people inside of the cage. Give some skill to that ult.
TheDelighted1 votesThe most concerning part about camille is the fact that she is riot's ideal of divers. I think we are going to have yet another juggernaught-marskmen-mages type of rework fails.
KoKoboto1 votesEven now I think Ivern was fine but 
really put him over the top and so they had to nerf him
Skorch1 votesI dont know, 33% is a little insane
TyroneWatermelon1 votesremember the Skarner juggernaut patch release? the horror....
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesam pretty sure ivern was broken on release
Ariel the Cruel1 votes
Geometry major knows balance.
Did it so well, Riot had to rework him, just to justify changes!
#Vel'Koz for balance team lead!
KennysDreamGirl1 votesivern was always strong from his release..the only reason i can see for his wr being as low as it was was because of how different he is from the norm..
DunkinNoobs1 votesThe Ivern treatment? You mean knee jerk buff them after 1 patch and have them become pick or ban in high elo immediately?
. She was released on 6.09 and she was considered weak because people didn't understand how to use her. Guess what Riot did.