The Wit's end changes are only going to make the item more niche and less popular.

xxxMadLionxxx·Feb 9, 2018·5 votes·2,594 views

The item is already sitting at a 2% pick rate. By making the item melee oriented, it will become even more niche and honestly, melee champs don't really have the attacks speed steroids/range like Kog to even really use the item.

I just think this is a step in the wrong direction.

I get that the item is toxic on Kog, but taking it away from him and making it so that no one else will use it makes no sense.

Take your time and rework the item properly.

Changes can be seen of s@20.

Wit's End Cost lowered from 2500 to 2400 Combine cost lowered from 480 to 380 Unique Passive bonus magic damage increased from 40 to 42 Unique Passive changed from[basic attacks steal 5 MR on hit (stacks up to 5 times)] to [basic attacks steal 3 MR on hit (6 if attacker is melee), up to a max of 30 MR.]

37 Comments

SelegunFeb 9, 20183 votes

Reduced price and it stacks higher on the MR shred. I can think of a few champs I want to try this out on when it goes live.

Moonfall SaberFeb 9, 20181 votes

Diana can’t wait

SelegunFeb 9, 20181 votes

For sure. Can't wait XP

The Blue RajahFeb 9, 20183 votes

Shyvana also likes it, though situationally.

PoskeFeb 9, 20182 votes

yes against that random teamcomp which forgot adc and took ziggs

SaturnSC1Feb 9, 20182 votes

Warwick Varus KogMaw Kayle are the major user of this item.. it should be replaced entirely.

DeadUnbornFeb 9, 20184 votes

WW doesn't really take it tho. I get that it makes synergy with his passive and ult, but you are better off just building trinity into titanic if you want to go a damage-y rout with him

SaturnSC1Feb 9, 20182 votes

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WW doesn't really take it tho. I get that it makes synergy with his passive and ult, but you are better off just building trinity into titanic if you want to go a damage-y rout with him

He used to and still can if they have tons of magic damage dealer but he don't require as much tankyness . It's even in his recommended item for a reason.

PoskeFeb 9, 20181 votes

Entire Le blanc reccomended page is wrong for example. Dont take reccomended item pages seriously

Sure warwick ultimate + wits end on hit thingy does 126 dmg

Lets say he procs it 5 times with Q auto thats 210 damage Thats still pathetic

And this ll ussualy drop to around 160 damage due to MR

SaturnSC1Feb 10, 20181 votes

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Entire Le blanc reccomended page is wrong for example. Dont take reccomended item pages seriously

Sure warwick ultimate + wits end on hit thingy does 126 dmg

Lets say he procs it 5 times with Q auto thats 210 damage Thats still pathetic

And this ll ussualy drop to around 160 damage due to MR

You clearly never played WW before his rework.. keep quiet.

PoskeFeb 11, 20181 votes

But I did...

I played him one hit with madreds hydra wits.. yep did. ** But back then his ultimate applied on hit effect 5 times rather then 3 **

SaturnSC1Feb 11, 20181 votes

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But I did...

I played him one hit with madreds hydra wits.. yep did. ** But back then his ultimate applied on hit effect 5 times rather then 3 **

Yea but his Q wasn't applying on hit effect.. now it does so you can proc it everytime your Q is avalaible. Also pre rework build was like this : item 1419 item 3153 item 3091 item 3047 or item 3111 item 3742 or item 3068 item 3074 or item 3748 or item 3065 ..

EschetonFeb 9, 20181 votes

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are the major user of this item.. it should be replaced entirely.

TahmKench also

And frankly, I like that the ramp up is slower for ranged attackers, given how they tend to get more safety and more attackspeed.

AirKingNeoFeb 9, 20181 votes

In what world does Tahm buy Wit's End?

Dead flag bluesFeb 9, 20182 votes

I might try it with Diana and a tanky oriented build item 3001 item 3091 item 3115 item 3151 item 3157 item 3111 / item 3047

But I'm not convinced honestly

Moonfall SaberFeb 9, 20181 votes

If you play Diana I'm excited for this next patch. Go archangel into icebourn gauntlet then abysal with the 10% cooldown reduction rune. 200 ap from that

PoskeFeb 9, 20181 votes

thats bad

Most viable way of playing diana is by going full AP and being 0.2 second one shoter. And even when played this way she is subpar champion

Perhaps bruiser diana is closer to Viablity at TT doe to Moonflair but thats as far as it goes

Funkin DunkinFeb 9, 20182 votes

Bruiser Diana doesn't work because her passive doesn't scale as well without the AP. She'll go into a fight and do no damage.

PoskeFeb 9, 20182 votes

Bruisers dont work in league in general. There are lots of reasons why she doesnt work as "well" as other bruisers

But yeah scallings are one of those

Moonfall SaberFeb 10, 20181 votes

being tankier isnt bad. It just makes you last longer. This is a "pentakill build" not a "I kill you in one hit build"

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20182 votes

Jax Irelia

no one remembers season 2?

AirKingNeoFeb 9, 20181 votes

because it's 6 years later and Wit's End has been powercreeped out of the game. Wit's End just gives flat stats that don't compensate for its low slot efficiency.

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20182 votes

wit's end itself is powercreep

in season 2 it used to only give magic resistance without any stealing thingy

in season 2, the cost got increased from 2400 to 2500 and then no one built it anymore now not only they're bringing down the cost to 2400, but they're also increasing the MR steal; and magic damage from 40 to 42

Irelia and Jax will both love that Jax for obvious reasons Irelia because wit's end is the only attack speed fighter item that she always built when it wasn't garbage

PS: wit's end fucks over bramble vest

AirKingNeoFeb 9, 20182 votes

problem with wit's end is it gives 0 cdr and has shitty components. Can't buy it early for that reason.

Can't buy it later because you'd rather get Adaptive Helm.

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20181 votes

why do you need cdr when you have 42 on hit damage?

witsend is overpowered as hell design wise the only thing that holds it back right now is the buildpath and the cost

both are being fixed

PoskeFeb 9, 20181 votes

???? OP xd? Wits end

Eh Morde mains XD

Here are some OP items gaze upon them item 3135 item 3035 item 3076 item 3155 item 3031 item 3508 item 3087 item 3085 item 3107

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20181 votes

a bruiser would trully build infinity edge

my bad

PoskeFeb 9, 20182 votes

I dont expect you to be expert on anything but Morde no Offense

Wits end historicly had troll to UnderP status

Calling it op was just wrong

Crit itemization is good example of OP thingy design wise

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20181 votes

how about you calm down right now?

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=je+suis+rubick

i used to play every single bruiser in season 3 as my stats show it i stopped playing toplane because it's shit ever since nearly season 4

wit's end design wise is overpowered because it gives everything someone like jax wants: attack speed 42 on hit magic damage 30 mr shred 70 magic resistance

in season 2 it was jax vs irelia in every single game and both built triforce+wit's end, i don't know how EUNA played the meta back then, but EUW played like this

PoskeFeb 9, 20181 votes

I was jax main and so was my brother thats the difference granted I was more of refering to season 1- 2

Never saw a successful wits jax but did see successful wits irelia

It also never gave that much MR as a flat stat

I stopped playing toplane when I realised its to hostile for yasuo so Yasuo ADC became a thing on Eune largly because of me

Granted Toplane has always been shit. Even if we go back to old meta its still shit just less shit. The fact that we went backwards is fascinating. Nowdays we have champions who pretend that there is counterplay to them but there really is not like how I recently explanied to you why Cammile offers no counterplay

If we go back in time to a better meta You ll still get statchecked 100>0 during stun from irelia You ll still not be able to get clsoe to high elo Riven (granted I would be the Riven) You would still get RNG critted by Trynda

All of this champions once ahead become unstoppable

Sorry but juggernauts are still horrible no agency failure of design who just end up being hard anti melee champions (lane bullies) rather then melee teamfight carry threats

The fact that most juggernauts offer like no counterplay except playing a ranged cancer on top is sad

The whole darius Axe Thingy is not enough The whole dodge Illaoi E rectilinear E so you dont have to back is not enough of counterplay

Melee vs Melee fights unless we are talking about Yasuo/Riven/Fioras + few more always fall on the same patterns and tend to be predictable stat check garbage fights

Not that Carry fights are much better but the fact that botlane is 2v2 changes it

AhristocatsFeb 9, 20182 votes

Darius offers MORE THAN ENOUGH counterplays

he offers so much counterplays that he's impossible to play in high elo i don't know why you pretend that the "axe thingy" is not enough, if you dodge it by closing the gap he literally can't do anything his attack speed is so shit that if he doesn't hit Q he will lack of damage and achieve noxian might with a higher delay

speaking of noxian might darius ABSOLUTLY DEALS NO DAMAGE before noxian might

Darius rework was a failure in my eyes because it made darius terrible in high elo unless his numbers are so high

he needs to be less telegraphed with less damage to be less oppressive but better against competent players

AirKingNeoFeb 9, 20181 votes

I'm saying first items tend to have CDR or something else really good to compensate.

Also, it's cost is shit.

PoskeFeb 9, 20183 votes

Sorry but No good jax built wits end Like ever

This is coming from an old player

I was there when 6 Gunblade jax was meta

I was there when Dodge change tabi dancer gunblade regablade trintiy was meta (Notice how many offensive items melee champion could buy back when league wasnt trash)

Wits end was viable on irelia but situational

Nowdays AP irelia is dead. Her ulti does physical damage. There is just less synergy

xxxMadLionxxxFeb 9, 20182 votes

I think ppl are forgeting wits end gives no AP and doesn't really help the full kit of a mage like Diana. This is one of the reasons the item is unappealing.

RexxieeFeb 9, 20181 votes

Whats wrong with a onhit item for ranged champs?

I think wits end is fine right now, it uses some uses on certain champs and thats it.

Kog isnt even good anymore, in fact hes trash.

SonasaurousFeb 9, 20181 votes

I like the changes, personally. I can imagine it's gonna be a nice MR item for tanks and melees to build. I mean, not all items have to be for ADCs.

PoskeFeb 9, 20181 votes

Anyone with a healthy brain is aware of that? I am sure Riot is aware of it to they probably dont want this item to be viable for whatever retarded reason

Varus wont build it if this happens Kog wont build it if this happens

Irelia and somewhere mentioned warwick wont build it just because this happens