Now it is graves every single game instead of lucian

DropFill·Jan 2, 2015·2 votes·605 views

Can you actually buff immobile adc's ( Except jinx ) so they actually see the light of the day? God dammit.

10 Comments

ChargeItDownMidJan 2, 20157 votes

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Kuroi86Jan 2, 20151 votes

Really? I figured Ashe and Varus had some pretty good burst on them, you just have to be good enough to land your skill shots.

goes to investigate

RebonackJan 2, 20153 votes

Nope, if immobile ADCs ever get good Riot curb-stomps them.

See: Koggy and Twitch

IceKingChernobogJan 2, 20152 votes

Ah i remember when i can actually play twitch and being able to kill someone at lvl 1 without using my flash to get the last hit on them....

now his passive practically heals the enemies...

AgidyneJan 2, 20152 votes

What's the issue with Graves tho?

He is just different from all others.

His thing is burst, he bursts well. It's not Mage level but it isn't Nami level either.

But for that burst he pays with lower Range and a base Atk Speed that would be considered bad on every single other AD.

Probably the weakest adc once his spells are on CD but one of the scariest if his spells are up cuz of how much damage he can deal in so little time.

Also, the Cigar nerfs hit him pretty hard.

DropFillJan 2, 20151 votes

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What's the issue with Graves tho?

He is just different from all others.

His thing is burst, he bursts well. It's not Mage level but it isn't Nami level either.

But for that burst he pays with lower Range and a base Atk Speed that would be considered bad on every single other AD.

Probably the weakest adc once his spells are on CD but one of the scariest if his spells are up cuz of how much damage he can deal in so little time.

Also, the Cigar nerfs hit him pretty hard.

Little range, but higher than lucian. He also has a dash that increases his atk speed A LOT and his passive make him pretty tank for an adc. My problem with graves that he does every lucian used to do, making immobile adc's trash

AgidyneJan 2, 20151 votes

It's actually quite different.

What Lucian could do was Chain his passive with his skillset allowing him to hit you pretty hardcore since he had Caitlyns passive on every auto attack during his combo.

Also, his steroid is good but it is still nowhere near as good as Jinx Steroid. Especially when you realize she doesn't pay with a lower Base Atk speed for a 130% Permanent Atk speed steroid. Nor does she pay with with lower base damage numbers for her AoE Crits.

Jinx is the current freelo carry, not Graves.

You'll see what I mean in a week or 2.

4nth0l0gyJan 2, 20151 votes

I'm probably the minority here, but Graves is my favorite ADC. I love seeing him get some spotlight.

His burst is a little overwhelming right now, though.

AccountaBilabudyJan 2, 20151 votes

Graves is fine. No where near the OPness that was/is Lucian. Graves is only a pain when paired with Soraka or Taric

CoolKnightSTJan 2, 20151 votes

Graves is fine. The only reason why he's suddenly became so popular was because Lucian is nerfed to the groun & he finaly recieved a competive big play.

He has a lot more weaknesses that Lucian . He litterly has to win lane to become effective. You really don't want to play from behind vs Caitlyn even if it's not rare you are able to win that matchup. You really need a big gold advantage to snowball your team to victory.

I feel that his biggest power is the ability to adjust his build depending on the situation:

Start Rush Buildline A: item 1055 Buildline B: item 1037 Buildline C: item 1038

Start Rush Part II Buildline A: item 1055 item 1038 Buildline B: item 1037 item 3134 Buildline C: Buildline D: item 1053

1st Item Buildline A or D: item 3072 Buildline B or C: item 3031

2th Item Buildline A or D: item 3046 Buildline B or C: item 3142

3th Item item 3006

4th Item Stacking Armor? Yes > item 3035 No > Buildline A or D: item 3031 Buildline B or C: item 3072

5-6th Item Defensive option: item 3026 item 3143 item 3102

Last Damage item: item 3035 item 3153 item 3142 item 3139 item 3046 item 3085

Currently the most snowbally build is probaly item 3031 item 3142 item 3006 item 3072 item 3035 item 3026 but the damage spikes are pretty time depended. One of the powers from Graves is that he's able to varry his build. An safe build for example would be item 3046 item 3143 .

Graves power lies in his build options just like lucian. The funny fact with lucian tho was that nobody ever noticed it because his other power curves just overshined it all.