The real issue with Jungle (and why one jungler always carries) is the scuttle changes

SwiftKitten88·1/16/2019, 5:33:24 AM·2 votes·1,998 views

now i don't remotely expect for this game to be playable again... i have already started playing path to exile. but that not going to keep me from checking back. and i just checked the pbe changes. and low and behold more jungler changes... and as always riot is completely blind to the issue. becuase

SOLO QUE INS'T A 5 MAN TEAM WITH VOICE CHAT TEAM CO-ORDINATION AND ALLIES WHO CAN PROPERLY WARD YOU CANNOT BALANCE THE GAME AS IF IT IS

i dont expect to come back to league, but im certainly not going to if every single game i want to play my main if have to fight over a scuttle at lvl 2 when im at 15% hp and dont have a heal.

scuttle crab was where i healed up. it was for vision.. it was to scout for invades when if i got behind.

you took away trackers so i can no longer ward my jungle you took away wolf smite .. and then you took away scuttle so now if i am behind then i know the enemy jungler will be there so that's where i DON'T go.

jungle is a fucking nightmare because there is no vision and i don't have enough wards to spot for invades.

and as a squishy champions who can die in about .5 second if an enemy is sitting in a bush watching me do a camp and waiting for me to get low.

this means if u fall behind.. the enemy jungler can easily invade u with complete impunity and snowball.

no one in solo que reacts fast enough to help the jungler. not without voice chat.

and sure if your a 5 man pro player team with voice coms and were every player wards properly then this isnt an issue

BUT THAT'S JUST IT

SOLO QUE INS'T A 5 MAN TEAM WITH VOICE CHAT TEAM CO-ORDINATION AND ALLIES WHO CAN PROPERLY WARD YOU CANNOT BALANCE THE GAME AS IF IT IS

THAT is why the removal of trackers knife made jungle hell, and is why i quit.

because u see "Oh "X" is an issue in pro play and we can fix it if we do "Y"

and never give a rats fucking ass if you change "Y" complete fucks over the experience for everything else.

you say "you don't balance around pro play"

IGNORING HOW A CHANGE DIRECTED AT PRO PLAY EFFECT NON PRO PLAY.. IS BALANCED AROUND PRO PLAY.

again i repeat

SOLO QUE INS'T A 5 MAN TEAM WITH VOICE CHAT TEAM CO-ORDINATION AND ALLIES WHO CAN PROPERLY WARD YOU CANNOT BALANCE THE GAME AS IF IT IS.

yes... jungle easily has the highest impact on the game.

and its bloody fucking obvious why and yet u still cant see it.

its because as soon as one jungler gets ahead... they take the whole fucking map. and the opposing jungler cant do jack shit to get back in the game.. while they are getting invaded and counter jungled

meanwhile the winning jungler gets tons of exp and gold pushing their lead further ahead.

and BECAUSE U MAKE US FUCKING FIGHT AT SCUTTLE

WHOEVER WINS THAT FIGHT ALMOST ALWAYS WINS THE JUNGLE

more often that not when i played jungle in the last few games before i quit

games were not decided by first blood, first tower, first inhib., first baron, rift.

their fucking decided by w/e jungler gets an 500 gold lead first

THAT is what wins the game.

because thats all it takes to kick the other jungler out of the game and turn the game into a 6v4 because that jungler and their jungle are now just food for the other jungler.

now of course riot is never going to address this... of course they're going to nerf jungle exp more because " jungler always decides the game"

and because they never fucking bother to ask the question of WHY one jungler can so easily carry the game. and WHY the other jungler cant stop them from doing so.

you cant fucking have junglers fight the other junglers without wards.scuttle vision, wolf smite, minions.. or towers to defend them.

these are all the thing we don't have to defend us in the jungler that we had or laners have.

and its why when u get ahead or fall behind in the jungle you STAY that way

3 Comments

RekSai CoffeeCo1/16/2019, 11:58:08 AM1 votes

Agree fully on the Scuttle, it needs to be reverted.

SwiftKitten881/17/2019, 2:09:55 AM1 votes

i also forgot they took away jungle catch-up exp.

so now not only do we not have vision, any way to get vision, or a place to heal up, or towers or minions to defend us and granted vision.

we don't even have catchup exp which all lanes have in case we get behind.

its funny how in season 3,4,5 i never even wanted to be a jungler.

and now i have to quit becuase in season 5,6,7,8 my main Nidalee , was kicked out of mid, top and support so she could jungle... and now she cant even fucking jungle without being in the bottom 10 of 40.

and sure she is "better" than in season 7 back when she had a 44% winrate all freaking season.. but she isnt as "fun to play"

becuase in season 7.. she was bad but she was still FUN.

in season 8.. she got a massive buffed due to the interation of celerity and her passive and eletrocute being good on her.

but now they removed the ineration.. and with the scuttle changes , all of her strongest counters in the game... are meta.

i cant get into a single game when i am not hardcountered. and it forces me to fight y hardcounter while i am at my weakest point in the game... while they are at their strongest point in the game.

and they wonder why its hell.

so yeah... if the enemy is a MORON and they don't contest scutlle and let u hit lvl 4 for free.. then sure nid is a perfectly good jungler.

but if at point in time they take SINGLE camp from you before u hit 4 and back and spend your gold..

then you're COMPLETELY FUCKED.

if 80% if the nidalee games i lost after the scuttle change were lost within the first 5 min

becuase if nid cant hit 4 and back safely with all camps cleared by 5 min in with no deaths ... then the game is over for her.

the only ways to come back from that require co-ordinated voice chat and your team placing deep wards in their jungle when u arn't strong enough to enter it safely to do so yourself.

becuase with so little vision its actayly easier to see the enemy pathing trhough thier own jungle then to see them enter yours..

bnut again.. that requires u to have a way to place them in the enemy jungle... and if your behind... u cant do that yourself wihout risking a free kill and basically the game being completly over.

i mean sure.. if u get stupid lucky and your bot side near river and u see him gank top u can ward his bot side jungle.

but if he spots you then he'll just take your top side.

either way. there are a million ways to stay ahead when your ahead in the jungle... and no ways to come back. unless u happen to be someone like MasterYi who can turn until a late game hypercarry after 3 items