Why do people hate Jhin's ultimate so much?

Yeah, my problem with him is the full pen builds that instantly kill you with a single shot and the BS hitbox on his W

It is the fact that if he hits one, it is VERY easy to hit all the rest as long as they have no mobility after, then the fact it procs the full (i believe)4 sec of deatfire mastery because it is single-target and the last shot is fucking boosted powerful at points.

If they wanted to make it more balanced, reduce the slow on hits.

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Honestly, Is it that hard to dodge? Especially with a lot of champions having some form of mobility in their kit.

It's not hard to dodge if he aims it at you, but a good jhin will predict the sidestep. Which basically means it's a 50-50 chance. That he gets FOUR chances to hit. Also, if his team is already chasing you, that sidestep may help them catch you even if you dodge it. Then if you're already near a wall it isn't 50-50, more like 80-20.

Jhin's ult is fine in most usage cases. I think using his ult to engage doesn't make sense though, it's unhealthy play. When pro play can see a team purposely LET THEIR ADC NOT BE IN RANGE OF A FIGHT AND ENGAGE I think it's a clear signal that something is wrong with it. Jhin ults, it's effectively a 5v4 for the enemy team minus the ult damage (which Jhin can do with his autos) and yet every pro team runs from it. Something is clearly wrong with that.

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Honestly, Is it that hard to dodge? Especially with a lot of champions having some form of mobility in their kit.

That's part of the perceived issue. Champions that are immobile are double whammied- they're less likely to be able to dodge the first shot (due to lack of mobility), and the slow hurts them more than champions with mobility.

Normally, champions that are immobile have that power allocated to something else, like tankiness, CC, damage, or range. The thing is, if tankiness isn't your counter, then his range ignores the rest of your skills. It's sort of like how tanky people complain about % max health true damage- "there's no way I can itemize past it", only instead it's "there's nothing special my champion can do to mitigate this".

That said, I don't have any problems with Jhin's ult. If it needed nerfing, I'd say they should just go further on the execute like they did before (when they lowered the base damage and increased the % missing health amplification).

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Mages: ...You also have ranged autos just like he does, except you're not bound by any sort of static 2.5s reload

Most of your points are valid (if phrased too aggressively for my taste), but... outside of a few rare exceptions (TF, maybe Ziggs), ranged mages don't want to try to auto an ADC, 2.5s static reload time or not. So I wouldn't consider that a strong point in this argument :/

And Zhonya's is good if you're a little bit overextended and can give your team time to run up to cover you. But outside of that situation, it's definitely not a super life saver; if you use it to dodge one of the first 3 shots, then the next one is guaranteed to hit. That puts you into the choice of "do I eat the first 3 shots' slow and damage, allowing enemy team to come catch me, so that I can Zhonya's the 4th one that's going to crit? Or do I Zhonya's immediately and hope he's bad at timing followup shots?" Of course, as you mentioned, the best option is simply not getting into that situation in the first place.

He has four chances to hit you, and if he hits one the rest are basically guaranteed. It's also pretty annoying that if he hits all four it can straight up kill you from such long range; even when you're at full.

I love how people are just saying just dodge, NOBODY dodges every skillshot... and when he can do like every minute...

"is it that hard to dodge"

If one hits the rest are nearly impossible to miss.

I just dislike the slow it applies, meaning if he lands one he's going to likely land them all, other then that it's a really cool ability.

it does a lot of damage. and its really. a great engage. since it chunks tanks as well. you can't actually stand there tank it and team fight. it forces you off. also it just gives him fantastic range. his ult in lane. is very powerful. he can 100-0 an adc if he lands 4 shots. dodging skillshots isn't a decent argument it never is since people get better at landing them as well

for the most part the slow on it is worse than the damage. but its not lacking in either section.

I honestly love Jhin's design because he has clear strengths and weaknesses. He's just a bit over-tuned.

I'm more concerned about him having an assassin's whole combo in one auto attack.