%Max Health True Damage

Not to mention that in order to apply said % Max HP True damage, she needs to apply 3 hits in a row to the same target, which means a randuins/frozen heart affect her damage output pretty signficantly. Armor and health are still effective against her as well, just somewhat less.

Her kit itself scales well with attack speed however. She gets a pretty good AD steroid on her ult, as well as movespeed for chasing, which gives her an effective boost in AS against fleeing targets. Her Q also functions as an auto attack reset, helping her to circumvent AS slows. Her kit may not provide a lot of AS up front, but it damn sure rewards building a shit ton of it early. There's a reason that her highest win rate first 2 items are Bork into PD.

On tankier champs, I can also say that I routinely see silver bolts as the highest damage contributor, even on a small amount of built armor. And yeah, vayne isn't going to deal massive physical damage with bork and a PD. It's stupid that that's her best build path, and I think it really indicates just how strong silver bolts is.

Lets assume we have a mid game level 13 vayne. She has a bork, a PD, and zerkers. She has 141 AD, 1.763 AS, 35% crit chance, and 6% armor pen. This is based on standard ADC runes/masteries.

A few examples (taking into account autos, tumble, bork, and silver bolts) (no ult. This would add 50 ad at her current level, resulting in a 35% physical damage increase.): the ADC: 1400hp, 70ar dps: 370 (269 phys, 101 true) 27% true, 3.8s kill time

2 item tank: 2700hp, 150ar dps: 376 (214 phys, 162 true) 43% true, 7.2s kill time (331dps, 8.2s kill time (41% true) with randuins or FH)

3 item tank: 3100hp, 180ar dps: 381 (200 phys, 181 true) 47% true, 8.1s kill time (296dps, 10.5s kill time (44% true) with randuins and FH)

Keep in mind, these are approximate. It's hard to account for vayne's dps output additions from tumble procs, so I did the best I could. As you can see, while building tankier does help, vayne's kill time is still fairly short. While most physical damage champs could expect to see their phyiscal output cut, as vayne does, the true damage just keeps getting better. The tankier I get, the larger portion of her damage output silver bolts makes up.

I feel safe in saying that silver bolts is a crutch for Vayne's mid game.

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Except I can, have, and probably will in the future as well. % Max HP true damage exists in one und only vun instance, on a specific champion that has her kit designed around that effect. She has average attack speed, both base and per-level, she doesn't have an attack speed steroid at all (which is very uncommon for Marksmen), and among Marksmen, she has the shortest engagement range--that is, her zone of control is smaller than other Marksmen, because she doesn't have any long-ranged spells, just her Tumble.

vayne has the highest attack speed of any champion at level 18, at 1.1 http://i.gyazo.com/ae78d3a3d046e25850d54e1e8cca63ab.png

on paper her true damage is ridiculous, but it's really not as bad as they say. the real reason vayne is nuts is her freaking q during ult

Her entire kit is designed around making her a great all-in champ and tank buster. She has a mediocre escape, zero poke, and very short range, and a fairly bad laning phase. People love to focus on the aspect of her kit that makes that setup feasible and they always ignore her very clear weaknesses you and a lot of other people point out.

yet i see her demolish people game after game with the supposedly weak kit. mention no AS steriod and ignore the free 7 longswords she gets on ult which allows her to itemize AS while still doing crazy damage per hit and damage over time.

her build path is so smooth she belongs on a keystone add

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Except I can, have, and probably will in the future as well. % Max HP true damage exists in one und only vun instance, on a specific champion that has her kit designed around that effect. She has average attack speed, both base and per-level, she doesn't have an attack speed steroid at all (which is very uncommon for Marksmen), and among Marksmen, she has the shortest engagement range--that is, her zone of control is smaller than other Marksmen, because she doesn't have any long-ranged spells, just her Tumble.

Completely agree. It's not like she's rediculously broken right now either. The funny thing is, she should be broken in this current meta, but Jinx is just so much better as a hypercarry and just an ADC in general when she should probably be falling somewhere in the middle.

That being said, why are we complaining about one aspect of a champions kit that makes them unique and individual when she's not even that great of a marksman (markswoman?) right now?

I can't say it, I'm already dead...

But you're Laughing Fish...

Or or or or or I could build to lower her atk speed to lessen the proc, which btw most of her damage is still physical I could and reveal her during her ult and proceed to hard engage her because she have super short range?

Welcome to the boards, where the complaints are made up, and your opinion doesn't matter.

Whose Whine is it Anyway?

Vayne is ridiculous. She can all-in your ADC no matter what at lvl 6 unless your ADC has a HUGE lead already. Late game she's terrifying for any non-mobile bruiser that's not ridiculiusly far ahead. The only way to beat her late game is , or otherwise she can pentakill your whole team while taking zero damage.

I hate Kalista, but you're wrong in this specification.

Requires two auto attacks from different people (which means it needs good teamwork to be effective late game,) magic damage.

At mid-late game against a tank with 2500 health and 150 armor silver bolts do about 20% of Vayne's total damage. So 80% of her damage is still countered by armor and health.

She is also supposed to counter tanks, it is what makes her unique. She has no poke and limited peel ability so she needs to kite and attack whoever is in range, which is often a tank. Having the ability to kill tanks relatively quickly is the only thing that makes her viable. If you take that away and add a standard flat AD steroid, it would have to be so high to allow her to compete again that all squishies would hate her while tanks would still laugh at her.