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sees a melee botlane doing fine calls it a tank calls it tank meta
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Big Lincoln10 votes1400 hp should be ashamed to call yourself a juggernaut
you're mage scum infiltrating our ranks
Ahristocats1 votespretty sure riot said that classes are about playstyle and not builds
but full ap morde only works in low diamond and below, LS who's a high elo coatch that acheived master in korea and mains morde (also in the adc role) builds rylai triforce spirit visage sterak void staff
and this my friend, is the build of a juggernaut
Big Lincoln6 votes
Sahn Uzal3 votesDon't you consider Singed a Juggernaut? Singed builds Rylais.
Big Lincoln2 votessinged isn't a 1400 hp goon
Sahn Uzal1 votesI mean, Mordekaiser has Iron man and Harvester of Sorrow to make his metal ass Durable. Effective health, not flat health. Otherwise all the health singed regens during his ultimate doesn't count either.
M Dragon141 votesBut builds can dictate a champs playstyle, no? If a J4 builds full damage he plays more the role of an assassin than a diver. Similarly if Ekko builds like a tank, he plays more like a fighter/diver than an assassin. If an ADC builds full tank, do they fulfill the role they are classified? If Annie builds full AD/crit, does she really play like a mage?
When Riot classifies a champ, that is based on how they intended the champ to play. That does not mean they can't play the role of other classes, though. Ezreal is a good example. He was intended to be an AP mage, not an ADC. Ekko on release was intended to be an AP assassin, not a tank (though that's not much of an issue after lots of changes). Rek'sai was intended to be an assassin, not a tank. The list goes on.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tQBJmjEw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-29T20:31:49.319+0000)
1400 hp should be ashamed to call yourself a juggernaut
you're mage scum infiltrating our ranks
this is why i want riot to give us atmas passive as a keystone rune for fighters in season 7.
2% or 3% of max health gained as ad or ap, adaptive.
imagine champions like morde being able to build 
or 
and gaining 12 ap or 21 ap bonus on the items.
it would largely increase his health item options.
Ahristocats1 votesyou do realise that mordekaiser has a low hp to be forced to build hp instead of going full ap and destroy everyone?
full ap morde can only work in low diamond
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=i am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tQBJmjEw,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2017-07-30T00:23:21.291+0000)
you do realise that mordekaiser has a low hp to be forced to build hp instead of going full ap and destroy everyone?
full ap morde can only work in low diamond
ye, i know. i just find his item options generally very limited, since he needs a whacky combination of hp/ap items without mana.
this doesnt leave him with many options to adjust his item builds on a game to game basis.
he also usually doesnt have much of a choice other than to build overall pretty squishy, since there are 
and then ... what? these few hp/ap items dont even provide a decent amount of health themselves.
if he had access to something like an ap atmas passive, it would leave him with more options to build health items and still get him a little bit of ap off those items and round out/vary his builds better like the other juggernauts.
like the item variety you have on garen for example is crazy. you can build almost any combination of ad and health items on him, depending on the game and enemy teamcomp.
how many different builds does morde have available to him?
all these items would become more feasable on morde to complement his core items
i could go on.
Malicious Metal9 voteslaughs in 650 AP
xJLx MCHammer4 votesTo any ADC, if it survives more than 3 autos, it's a tank or OP.
HeresyHorus1 votesThis.
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Arakadia1 votesTo *some ADCs.
łnśane4 votesThe mindset of some ADC mains fixed it for you. Some of us are actually smart and know what is what thank you [slayer-jinx-catface]
Penns3 votesit is a tank meta tho hehe
AFilthyCaitMain2 voteswell i mean this Caitlyn is wrong.
But we are in a Tank/Lethality/Sustained damage meta
Ahristocats4 votesBut we are in a Tank/Lethality/Sustained damage meta
add mages to the list 
oh and enchenters 
oh wait, this means no meta at all
there ain't meta atm, every classes are viable
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesAsk anyone. Tank items like Locket+Stoneplate are just broken. We have a lot of OP tanks atm (Cho, sej, etc), Lethality(or duskblade) is just too good rn. and sustained damage beats tanks.
Ahristocats2 votesAsk anyone. Tank items like Locket+Stoneplate are just broken.
i don't need to ask anyone it isn't broken, but it's superior to every other tank option that divers/juggernauts/vanguards, literally everyone builds it
riot with their "tank rework" forced tanks to build all the same
but i don't see tanks in every games infact jayce rekt them all top, same for jax or camille
tanks themselves are not meta, they're dominating the jungle because of cinderhulk (which is being nerfed)
We have a lot of OP tanks atm (Cho, sej, etc), Lethality(or duskblade) is just too good rn. and sustained damage beats tanks.
sorry but with this definition there isn't a meta at all then
a meta forces you to ONLY PICK ONE OPTION like during lethality meta where you only had people building lethality being viable
or tank meta in s4 where if you didn't pick a tank top/jungle/mid/sup you lost
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesLook at pro play and youll see tons of tanks. Also a meta can be whatever is popular/ the best. Tanks, Lethality, and sustained damage is king right now. Its not limited to one thing.
Ahristocats2 votes
UnboundHades1 votesStill have only seen 5 yoricks since his rw
Ralanr3 votesI don't think we can classify this meta as all three of those. If anything, it sounds like there is no real "class" meta right now.
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesIts a rock, paper, scissors meta. You pick one of the 3 to counter each other.
Ralanr3 votesIsn't that how the game kinda should work?
AFilthyCaitMain2 votesNot exactly, Tanks and Lethality are just very strong rn. The only reason sustained damage is good is because sustained damage counters tanks. Lethality is very good rn and you see it built almost every game. You also see 1 or 2 tanks at least almost every game.
Ralanr2 votesSo the counters are common which allows nothing to really get absolutely insane without a counter.
I'm honestly not seeing the issue.
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesthe problem is, if you dont pick a tank or an assassin, youre at a disadvantage since tanks and lethality is just so damn good rn. thats how metas work.
Ralanr2 votesNot really. It's not assassins but Lethality, mage picks were still common enough for Riot to nerf them.
koshkyra1 votesThis. Literally this.
Yaskamasandwich1 votesHey remember when it was a tank meta when Nautilus and Poppy with Sunfire and Tabi were the only two viable tanks. However apparently it was a tank meta yep yep for sure.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesRemember when it was a tank meta, because Cinderhulk and Gromp [smite] buff solo'ed just about everyone? . . . No matter what champion had them.
Revali1 votesI like seeing people complain about melee botlanes, makes me wonder if we'll ever do full circle back to a double bruiser bot meta at some point.
would be cool seeing that stuff.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesWe almost had a 2/1/2 meta after the S4 support changes. Courtesy of 
.
Then Riot gutted Targon's while claiming they wanted duo-top [no jungle] to be a viable option. (>_>)
Rexxiee1 voteseven though tanks are the top picks of 3 out of 5 positions, it isnt a tank meta.
Yeah, it isnt a tank meta when theres 5~7 tanks per game in lcs.
Totally not.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesA lot of people don't understand the difference between juggernauts and Tanks. Unless you actually bother to look up Riot's definitions (which aren't immediately available), "juggernaut" doesn't actually mean anything.
Arakadia1 votesWhy do people have to go LOL to make fun of other's misunderstandings. It seriously wasn't that funny.
