Return of the Metagolem - True Damage (again)

Cats Are Food··1 votes·379 views

Quite sure if i look hard enough I could find the old dev notes, and videos, as to why True Damage (especially scaling true damage) was stripped from all but two champions. It was driving the HP heavy tank meta that had flared up. With the removal of this, Atma's Impaler, and a few tower tweaks the Meta died quickly. Here we are again.

Vayne was considered ridiculous upon release because of her passive true damage, but we accepted her. Now we have an AP monster that scales upwards with true damage, Yi was shifted to procing true damage... and now we have an item that basically any burst AD character can get to have true damage that... also scales. Are our memories this short, Devs?

Wont bother complaining about the tower nerfs. Won't mention the fact that there are items that make you wonder why Atma's was ever considered over powered. However... really guys? True Damage drives the HP Meta, lets basically do away with it... never mind let's try it again?


EDIT: So in replying to a comment on a different thread, I found a better way to word this:

True Damage enmasse forces softer targets to purchase tanky items... as opposed to a ROA or Rylai's as some survivability, Abyssal to counter the other caster, etc... Spellvamp is now just on the hybrid weapon, and the true damage becomes oppressive. This forces the squishiest of squishies to enter into the bruiser realm. Bruisers are now tanks.

HP is the only solution to True Damage, and if you're purchasing quite a lot you now also are buying items that add either armor or MR. Instead of a counter item, they are closer to being requirements. To test this I've been spam running ARAM games with counter intuitive builds... tanking as expected squishies, One Hit ADCs (Firecannon, Shiv, Duskblade, T-Force), and for those with natural tanking skills and growth filling in a few slots with damage.

This is working frighteningly well, as even during losses the sheer ability to murder anyone who has not gone tanky is staggering. Not merely killing squishies, but the ability to masacre solid damage builds because they can no longer sustain enough punishment for anyone to care.

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Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Who's the AP true damage?

The Lost Marbles1 votes

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Who's the AP true damage?

Velkoz

Also, it's weird seeing a true damage complaint thread that doesn't mention Fiora.

Cats Are Food1 votes

I forgot about her. Was gone during her rework.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

{quoted}

Who's the AP true damage?

Velkoz Ahri Amumu (soon) Syndra Chogath

though i dont see how this is going to return bruiser builds into the meta.

Cats Are Food1 votes

When your squishy targets have to push into the realm of bruiser, as far as toughness goes, they lose their lethality (not the stat). This makes your tanks more efficient killers, as they scale into their role naturally, and can thus build what they generally lack... damage.

That being said, to compete your bruisers merely become tanks to compensate, which was never a far leap for them to begin with.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

I'd put dodge on Swifties because all its good for is 45+ MS. And it makes more logical sense to dodge in swifties cuz u move faster

Dominick Destine1 votes

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I'd put dodge on Swifties because all its good for is 45+ MS. And it makes more logical sense to dodge in swifties cuz u move faster

NO. No more RNG.

Crit is already BS, we don't need more.

Cats Are Food1 votes

Crit is fine. They even have an item to help protect against a bit of it. Being able to hit for 1886 true damage is not fine. (Did so earlier with Garen.)

What makes it worse is that I was intentionally manipulating the Villain setup to ensure I could ult their Shyvanna.

Cats Are Food1 votes

This was a massive ordeal a few years ago. Now the community not only supports the problem, in the fashion of "RIOT doesn't make mistakes. Hail Phreak," but doesn't even accept that RIOT themselves were the ones to initially make the argument that True Damage was a serious problem in the beginning.

Cats Are Food1 votes

Found yet another example today out of boredom. Managed to push a Yi into mass True Damage and Percentile damage. Their tank died first, because I could. It started there.

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