then riot be like "let's make tanks not good haha"
hahah good one riot you really got me there
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363482504943894538/530142800059039758/cow.gif
Bobloser355530 votesI don't get it, is that like aerodynamics of a cow?
rawiazam111 votesi'm also interested
Slythrin Umbreon12 votesThe arrows are upvotes
MOLTinaTOR3 votesI don't get it, is that like aerodynamics of a cow?
A cow needs to fly to reach the moon
Iota Theta3 votesI don't get it, is that like aerodynamics of a cow?
Clearly it’s a math problem. If Jimmy has 5 cookies and that cow says “you can’t milk those,” what is the aerodynamacity the cow needs in order to Joey to have a 6th cookie?
Velzard of Koz3 votesSeven potatoes We've already done this problem at Differentials and integrals class
Heos001 votesThe post is good just because it has the aerodynamics of a cow lol. What an interesting guy.
D357R0Y3R10 votes
then you remember that he can twoshot a squishy
hahaha good design
GreenKnight21 votes
hahaha good design
Revert plz. Also, isn't Karthus your current nemesis?
D357R0Y3R2 votesAlso, isn't Karthus your current nemesis?
karthis galio camille lissandra kha'zix cass
SaltyCauseBad3 votesFuck cass tbh. Bullshit champion
SithesisLord9 votesFuck cass tbh. Bullshit champion
Relevant username.
SociaI Justice9 votessilver player: just git gud
: 58% wr in high elo
SithesisLord5 votes
Sewer Side4 voteskarthis galio camille lissandra kha'zix cass
That’s a pretty wild list
Rabbi Shekelberg4 votesor the second option, you miss your sweetspots, do no damage, get cc'd and kited to death. you either play it perfectly or not with Aatrox
Moody P13 votesis this what nutrox shills really believe ?
DragonShea6 votesYou know, it's jugg being tied to tanks being good makes sense, they are champs that have to soak up damage in order to function.
only problem is that defensive stats are useless.
In Borke Veritas6 votesWhat's the aerodynamics of a cow got to do with this? Just wondering*[sg-lux-2]*
Ionian Vulpix3 votesMaybe it's because the idea of a juggernaut is flawed to begin with? Someone who wants to fight but has no real way to force it sounds like something that really won't work. And when it does work, people will complain that they couldn't get away, hence why Darius is hated. He's the only one who CAN force you to fight him.
I feel like Dr. Mundo and Olaf are the best ways to approach Juggernauts (And Urgot too I guess, but he's an oddball). They have ways to slowly get in and then beat you to death, both with their Q. If Nasus's W wasn't point & click, then I'd be much more inclined to say that it's fair Juggernaut tool. I feel like Yorick's W is an excellent example of a good Juggernaut approach option. It gives him time to make the approach without relying on flash. Not saying they're all healthy champions, but am saying that they're the right direction juggernauts should go. Their approach is slow, but they do have a way to do so.
Moody P9 votesMaybe it's because the idea of a juggernaut is flawed to begin with?
nope. Juggernauts continue to be the fairest champions in the game. That's actually kind of their problem.
Wither's problem comes from it being almost 100% uptime later on rather than it being targeted. When it's a decent spell it basically means anyone who relies on AAs at all can't duel him ever and that anyone who isn't dashy jumpy BS can't get away. The easiest way to make Nasus fair is to window Wither's effect a little more so that even in late game there's at least some time where anyone can get a few hits in. This would immediately free up a ton of power budget to be better allocated elsewhere.
chipndip12 votesComplain about juggernauts that are bad.
Also complain about juggernauts that aren't bad.
I mean...now you're just complaining for the sake of it.
Moody P19 votes isn't a juggernaut, sorry
chipndip14 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tLuNKQ6I,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:24:02.270+0000)
That's like me saying Jax isn't a skirmisher because his ult gives him armor and magic resist.
Different juggernauts do different things. Aatrox is just a different spin on the sub-class.
Moody P15 votesaatrox is a mistake
chipndip14 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tLuNKQ6I,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:30:03.987+0000)
aatrox is a mistake
Then it's a mistake fueled by the community bitching for further changes no matter how much Riot changed him up till this point.
Moody P16 votesagree, revert aatrox
Axzarious1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tLuNKQ6I,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:34:47.769+0000)
agree, revert aatrox
Yeah. His new voice and personality are absolutely horrendous compared to his old portrayal.
Hayaishi24 votesThat's like me saying Jax isn't a skirmisher because his ult gives him armor and magic resist.
Different juggernauts do different things. Aatrox is just a different spin on the sub-class.
uhm.. he isn't.
He doesn't fit the juggernaut specs.
DragonShea4 votesuhm.. he isn't.
He doesn't fit the juggernaut specs.
Aatrox doesn't benefit from being a tanky beast of war. He is a mobile brawler that want to crush everyone near him. he is a diver.
Leetri1 votesHow does he not? He's a durable melee fighter who deals a lot of damage but is pretty slow with low mobility. He's literally classed as a Juggernaut by Riot, so what else would he be?
Hayaishi22 votesHow does he not? He's a durable melee fighter who deals a lot of damage but is pretty slow with low mobility. He's literally classed as a Juggernaut by Riot, so what else would he be?
How is he slow? His ultimate literally gives him a huge burst of movement speed, add his dashes, the phage passive and he long range on his abilities and he is actually very hard to get away from.
Leetri1 votesHis dashes are so short that if you consider Aatrox mobile you have to say that Illaoi is mobile as well, and no one says that Illaoi is mobile. And if a second of movespeed when you ult is high mobility then he's just as mobile as Fiddlesticks, again a champion no one ever calls mobile. Items never count for mobility, otherwise you could say literally every single champion is highly mobile if you buy protobelt and mobility boots. Being sticky and being mobile isn't the same thing.
Hayaishi21 votesHis dashes are so short that if you consider Aatrox mobile you have to say that Illaoi is mobile as well, and no one says that Illaoi is mobile. And if a second of movespeed when you ult is high mobility then he's just as mobile as Fiddlesticks, again a champion no one ever calls mobile. Items never count for mobility, otherwise you could say literally every single champion is highly mobile if you buy protobelt and mobility boots. Being sticky and being mobile isn't the same thing.
Amd juggernauts are not meant to be sticky.
Moody P1 votesthat's not true at all, in fact most of them stick to you very well, champs like Illaoi are the exception
Frostfel2 votes is a Fighter (Bruiser), subclass Diver. He is too mobile to be a Juggernaut.
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses
Critmaster Garen3 votes
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses
is he though? with those two micro dashes?
i mean 
is mobile too if were going by that. her w doesnt have more of a cd than aatrox e.
Zero Skill Tank3 votes and 
have their dashes, but their mobility is reduced by other factors in the kit.
is bound to her tentacles, so even if she can chase some of the least mobile champions down, that's not really a viable move for her, and she needs said champion to walk up 225 units to her to even begin that chase.
not only severely slows himself, but his three other abilities either have cast times to slow him down further, or just plain make him stand still (R recast). He also has 330 base movespeed to begin with.
You can't really compare any jugg to a champion with high base MS, can double-dash for 600 units total without any requirements (like enemy target, or a cast time), and gets 240 bonus movespeed on top of that. He has some cast times in his kit, but that's all, and not only those cast times aren't that high, he is even allowed to dash during them. It's not even comparable with punishment that actual juggs get if they "break the rules" by having a dash.
Instead of counting cd on dashes, it's easier to think in terms of closing or creating a gap.
Aatrox can easily (though not instantly) close or create gaps of 600 units, or a bit more then 700 if he ults. Even without ult, it's enough to prevent every ADC from attacking him for free - a good rule of thumb to distinguish between a jugg and a diver.
Illaoi can only close 225, and can't really create one.
Urgot can close or create about just below 400, depending how much ground enemy covers during windup.
There really is no comparison.
DragonShea1 votes
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses
Old post. That ain't gonna help with your point.
Terchio1 votesDiver isn't purely about mobility, Olaf is a diver. Aatrox's is not high enough to go based off of that, anyway. He is a diver based on easier entrance into battle than escape. In his case, it's always been about sustain he gets in combat, which probably still holds post-rework, unlike some champions' classifications.
I think I'd have my money on Garen or Mundo catching enemies on pure mobility over Aatrox in most cases.
Overall, innate sustain has become a staple of the Juggernaut class. He may be classified as a diver still, but he'd still fit in fine with the Juggernauts. He's a bit squishier out of combat and lacks an escape mechanism compared to the Juggernauts, though.
DragonShea3 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tLuNKQ6I,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:24:02.270+0000)
I think he should be a diver like Renekton.
Ralanr1 votesHonestly I think the only reason Riot doesn’t classify him as a diver is because of how short range his dashes are.
DragonShea1 votesHonestly I think the only reason Riot doesn’t classify him as a diver is because of how short range his dashes are.
I'd say so too if not for him being building a lot of damage/bruiser items. A lot like Renekton who got similarly short dashes although his are a lot fasher and frequent.
Z3Sleeper2 votesCan you explain the gif to me? I don't understand what's happening so I can't make a connection.
Infernape5 votesI summed it up as "miss me with that shit"
Slythrin Umbreon2 votesThe arrows are upvotes
Z3Sleeper8 votesBut they're avoiding the cow. I don't even know what the cow is representing.
Bladerunner77772 votesspoiler alert, it is a completely irrelevant gif to a meme post in Gameplay (what else is Gameplay actually for? meaningful discussion? what's that?)
Algido4 votesCan you explain the gif to me? I don't understand what's happening so I can't make a connection.
It seems to be a model pertaining to thermal lift generation and drag reduction in rarefied aerodynamics on a cow which might be implying a flying cow for some reason or to go take it to another level of abstraction, trying to represent that juggernauts will be viable when pigs fly. My best guess, without attempting to make such abstractions would be that the gif is representing the thought of "what in the hell is going on here? Nothing about this makes sense!" one might get when looking at the gif in and of itself as well as why it was chosen, further illustrating his point of too many irrelevant matters at hand interacting and is a good a representation as any to illustrate juggernaut viability. At least I think that is what my background in metaphysical philosophy is trying to tell me. [sg-zephyr]
Z3Sleeper3 votes*snaps*
