That feel when they have 4 ap but you gotta build armor, cuz adc hehe

option paralysis·Feb 4, 2018·117 votes·5,217 views

Imagine if they had 4 ad and 1 ap. Who gives a fuk, just ignore the ap champ. But nahhhh when it's adc hehe with and you gotta build just to still get melted, it feels good man. Really good. Like I don't understand what am I supposed to do. If I build tabis randuins and god forbid me im a melee and built cleaver for some dmg, I have decent hp and resists that specifically lower AA dmg and I still get blown up. I really don't get it. Btw fuck , this fucking bitch is in every god damn game jumping around with 700 range killing everyone. But hey, lets buff other adcs, don't nerf the current retarded ones.

177 Comments

MizayaFeb 4, 201836 votes

Cause they're a form of sustained damage? You wouldn't be smart to ignore an Azir or Casisopeia either.

stone the blacksFeb 4, 20187 votes

you seem to forget you can avoid azir damage area or leave it and still be in range to attack him, and cass poison is not permanent and is dodge able, an auto attack for 800 ever .6 seconds is not

xelakerFeb 4, 201833 votes

you can leave the adcs range you ding dong...

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 4, 20185 votes

not as easily as u can azirs or casss, thats was his point.

GrReaper96Feb 4, 201812 votes

For sustain damage mages just getting item 3194 already allows you to survive them a great deal. ADCs on the other hand need item 3047 item 3143 item 3075 at least 2 or those items and even then will still hurt significantly

Spank the FoxFeb 4, 20189 votes

You severely overvalue Adaptive Helm then.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 4, 20189 votes

Adaptive helm is actually really undervalued imo as is randuins. They do so many different things to make you way tankier

BârdFeb 4, 201835 votes

You're overreacting.

First off, your specific situation.

This is obviously in response to a game you played just before posting this.

A game in which Tristana went 20/5/3. Why the hell are you surprised that a fed hypercarry melts you?

Moving past how this is an obvious salt post...

In this situation, there are four tiers of ADC in how much armor you need to get in order to beat them. You only need enough armor to last until your allies can kill them off, after which point you'll probably win the teamfight.

Tier 4: Magic Marksmen

Corki

Deals mostly magic damage, armor isn't that necessary.

Tier 3: Semi-carry marksmen

Ashe Jhin MissFortune Quinn Sivir

These guys aren't fully fledged carries. Ashe and Sivir don't enough damage. Jhin, MF, and Quinn have high burst, but so-so follow up damage.

item 3047 and HP OR item 3143 vs crit OR item 3742 vs lethality

Tier 2: Carries and Half-magic Hypercarries

Caitlyn Draven Ezreal Graves Jinx Kalista KogMaw Lucian Varus

The standard carries here have a good chunk of physical damage. The hypercarries rely heavily on the magic damage present in their kit.

item 3047 and a second armor item are recommended against the standard carries, alongside other HP. and item 3076 are reccomended against Kog and Varus, alongside item 3194

Tier 1: Full Physical Hypercarries

Tristana Twitch Vayne Xayah

item 3047 plus item 3076 will tide you over in the mid game alongside other HP items. You will need to finish item 3075 and a third armor item by late game.

That is... unless you feed them 20 kills, in which case all of these champions will obliterate you.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 4, 20183 votes

You have clearly never seen a crit boomerang do 2k+ damage because of bounces. Let alone the 3 per cast.

Sivir does a ton of damage.

BârdFeb 4, 20183 votes

Sivir has really good ambient damage if the enemy team clumps.

If they don't, her single target damage is lower than that of other ADC's.

She has one mediocre nuke, an auto-attack reset, and a minor steroid. Her passive and R are utility, and her E is purely a defense mechanism.

Compare that to other ADC's, who generally have multiple nukes or major steroids in their kit.

MarshbouyFeb 4, 20189 votes

you seem to not understand how classes work in league.

Tanks naturally counter AP burst champions because tanks>burst>DPS>tanks. That means tanks don't have to itemize as hard against AP champions when compared to something like a DPS.

Also, I don't know what you're talking about. Every time I face an AP champion who starts to pick up a few kills, I always build some kind of MR item or else they can completely shred me.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 4, 20189 votes

You have the list somewhat backwards (probably a typo). Tanks > Burst > Dps > Tanks; at least ideally.

SwiftKitten88Feb 4, 20183 votes

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you seem to not understand how classes work in league.

Tanks naturally counter AP burst champions because tanks<burst<DPS<tanks. That means tanks don't have to itemize as hard against AP champions when compared to something like a DPS.

Also, I don't know what you're talking about. Every time I face an AP champion who starts to pick up a few kills, I always build some kind of MR item or else they can completely shred me.

true you do need to pick up one mr item .. yet you can get like 3 armor items and the ADC will STILL shred you... (unless your ap then you can only get 1.. in item 3157 ) So pray tell, that's fair HOW exactly?

meanwhile the ad assassin or adc can build item 3139 item 3156 item 3026 grab nullifying orb, and idk who the hell even uses it anymore but item 3091 technically exists as well. all four of those are full damage build that offer some defense against AP and an AD champ.

what to mages get item 3157 45 armor... thanks riot...

GrReaper96Feb 4, 20187 votes

KogMaw and on-hit Varus uses item 3091 pretty often

Pika FoxFeb 4, 20189 votes

ADCs are the only champs in the game who buy 0-1 defensive items. Of course theyre going to do a shit ton of damage, a gentle sneeze kills them.

vgamedudeFeb 4, 20186 votes

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ADCs are the only champs in the game who buy 0-1 defensive items. Of course theyre going to do a shit ton of damage, a gentle sneeze kills them.

And midlaners but let's forget about them. Unless you count liandrys as defensive they build one (zhonyas) usually.

Oh and some gp buildpaths (crit and tri) and other carry champs like Trynd or Yi.

Oh and ignoring on hit adcs who can take mallet and wits end with tabis.

Pika FoxFeb 4, 20184 votes

AP items and builds have hybrid items with HP on them. Mid laners are almost always fairly beefy just because as a result. Its hard to even build AP champs with no defensive items if you tried.

vgamedudeFeb 4, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tIVXe6AJ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-02-04T05:31:46.506+0000)

AP items and builds have hybrid items with HP on them. Mid laners are almost always fairly beefy just because as a result. Its hard to even build AP champs with no defensive items if you tried.

The only item that comes to mind is liandrys. What are you talking about? Not many build railys anymore and hell some don't even always take liandrys and opt for something like ludens instead.

Pika FoxFeb 4, 20186 votes

Defensive AP items;

Zonyas Banshees Abyssal mask Rylais Liandrys Athenes All 3 Hextech items Ardent Archangels ROA Dorans/Guardians

Non defensive AP items;

Deathcap Ludens Nashors Guinsoos Void Staff Lich Bane Viktors Item

There are more defensive AP items than pure offensive ones.

vgamedudeFeb 4, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tIVXe6AJ,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-04T05:50:17.101+0000)

Defensive AP items;

Zonyas Banshees Abyssal mask Rylais Liandrys Athenes All 3 Hextech items Ardent Archangels ROA Dorans/Guardians

Non defensive AP items;

Deathcap Ludens Nashors Guinsoos Void Staff Lich Bane Viktors Item

There are more defensive AP items than pure offensive ones.

Plenty of mid laners build none/one of those.

How many mid laners build gun blade? Kat and akali? Protobelt, Vladimir. Even fewer get glp/rod. Athenes? Pretty much no one builds that. Most take either banshees or zhonyas not both and then maybe liandrys. You can go read common item paths on champ gg.

You said only adcs build 0-1 defensive items and that's just not true. Look up Zoe's common builds for instance.

Meep ManFeb 4, 20184 votes

You're issue here is you consider the 300 Health on Liandry's enough to consider it a defensive item and the 30 MR on Athene's as well. Or even that you consider Abyssal Mask an AP item. Or that you consider Hextech Gunblade a defensive item at all when it's active is the main reason you buy it and the spell vamp part is just an additional boon that makes certain champions that can abuse it take it as well. Everyone that uses Gunblade does so for the active with the spell vamp being a bonus.

item 3151 - Offensive item 3146 - Offensive item 3001 - Not an AP Item item 3174 - Not even an item you build for offense or defense, but to support, it's a healing item

vgamedudeFeb 4, 20189 votes

Don't worry adcs will still make posts talking about how they have no agency.

SalronFeb 4, 20183 votes

Bot lane is decided by the support/junglers early game unless the ADC is exceedingly good or bad

SpoofghoulFeb 4, 20188 votes

Yea well the problem is DPS, basically the DPS of marksmen in the lategame is way too overpowering imho

If they got 4 ad and 1 ap you can completely ignore building mr It might be wise to get some but even if you don't you are good to go as long as you can avoid any aoe spells not directly targeted at you Provided you have the health that mage will not target you since they cannot kill you anyway

Ofc there are exceptions like azir or ryze or cassio who can dps in which case you are going to want to have 2 mr items which sucks because then you legit cannot build enough armor items.

Another problem imho is penetration items

Building item 3047 item 3068 item 3075 item 3110 for example let's me tank pretty well vs physical damage that is until item 3035 comes into play and legit deletes 1 of my armor items out of existence And suddenly i'm semi squishy again o crap i got item 3071 shredded

Well now it's like i'm playing with 2 items vs 4 item enemies

Fun fun i'm ahead in cs and objectives i am doing better but they get to ''remove my itemization'' and now it's like they have a 6k lead on me . . . Let us not forget that their items already scale better and synergize better with each other to make this worse

At that point i'm seriously questioning why i didnt just grab tabis and stack warmogs instead because that would actually be more worth at that point

AirKingNeoFeb 4, 20187 votes

no team would have 4 AP damage threats.

Baron BarianFeb 4, 201860 votes

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no team would have 4 AP damage threats.

Ryze top Evelynn jungle any mid laner mage any mid laner mage as a support.

MarshbouyFeb 4, 201856 votes

That's a fucking terrible team comp. No tank and no front lie. Jesus christ.

Warlord ScrapFeb 4, 201839 votes

how about rumble top. Also most tanks do magic damage so it could be gragas, galio or gragas top. Or tank ekko.

AirKingNeoFeb 4, 20182 votes

Tank ekko doesn't exist anymore nor would be considered an AP damage threat.

Baron BarianFeb 4, 201868 votes

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That's a fucking terrible team comp. No tank and no front lie. Jesus christ.

Don't deny it though. You've once lost to a team like that.

I know because we all have.

SociopathFriendFeb 4, 20182 votes

I've lost to every comp at least once.

ChaosThiefFeb 4, 201827 votes

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That's a fucking terrible team comp. No tank and no front lie. Jesus christ.

Replace ryze or evelynn with maokai, boom problem solved

Sp33d Zer0Feb 4, 20187 votes

It's such bullshit that you have to build MR vs a 4 ad team just because they have a AurelionSol Cassiopeia DrMundo Fiddlesticks Heimerdinger Karthus Kassadin Kayle Malzahar Rumble Ryze Swain Taliyah Teemo Velkoz Vladimir Veigar Xerath Ziggs Zyra or litterally any other champion that does consistent magic damage.

Handy Sandy Feb 4, 201811 votes

except you don't, not just for a single champion, maybe a item 3190 item 3193

if they're fed, item 3194 at most

Sp33d Zer0Feb 4, 20185 votes

And if an ADC has items (much like if a steady ap damage source has items), you get item 3143 . Woah, crazy how that works.

And yes, you absolutely do get MR. If you're a good front line at least.

GrReaper96Feb 4, 20185 votes

The point is that as a tank by getting 1-2 mr item you can pretty much double your survival against a mage. Adcs on the other hand 1-2 armor items would not be able to help you withstand their onslaught since they deal such consistently high damage

General Esdeath Feb 4, 20184 votes

Go build item 3143 against that Tristana with 3 items, let me know how it goes.

EkyonKunFeb 4, 201814 votes

"HOLY SHIT THEIR AP MID IS 20/0 AND HAS item 3135 item 3151 item 3020 item 3165 20 MINUTES IN, WHAT DO WE DO?"

item 3065

20/0 mid is now useless

*and/or peeling for their 0/7/1 Vayne with 40 cs because she does more damage

Spank the FoxFeb 4, 20183 votes

55 MR vs 200 AP + ignoring 35% of your total MR.

“Useless” klol

General Esdeath Feb 4, 20182 votes

Their burst is now lowered by 25%.

Spank the FoxFeb 4, 20181 votes

Adaptive Helm Burst

Um, what?

General Esdeath Feb 4, 20182 votes

That's a Spirit Visage icon...

Meep ManFeb 4, 201811 votes

I'm all for hating on ADCs, but this is a lie even if the Boards doesn't like it. That champion has at most 110 MR if that's the only item they got, 90 if they are ranged, and Void Staff ignores 40% of that, so now they only have 66 MR. Then you reduce it by 15 and 18 for a total of 33, making them now have only 33 effective Magic Resist against that Mid if they only bought a Spirit Visage. That dude is still dying unless they are a fed Cho'Gath or Sion or someone that gets free stats without building any defensive items.

Zero Skill TankFeb 4, 20187 votes

The thing is, while a 20-0 mage can easily kill the 110 MR guy, they will need to use all of their kit to do that, an be of no threat to anyone else for next 10 seconds at least. So they just won't try to kill him most of the time, because it's just not worth it.

Meanwhile any 20-0 AD champion (marksmen in particular, but more or less any AD champion) can kill this guy with only a item 3742 just as casually, and than proceed to ruin the rest of his team.

ThilmerFeb 4, 20183 votes

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"HOLY SHIT THEIR AP MID IS 20/0 AND HAS 20 MINUTES IN, WHAT DO WE DO?"

20/0 mid is now useless

Exactly.

I can't imagine doing this against an AD champion; you would need 4 armour ítems and would die anyway because of armour pen and percentual damages.

Handy Sandy Feb 4, 20184 votes

20/0 mid is now useless

lmao too many times item 3070

chipndip1Feb 4, 20186 votes

When they have 1 ap threat, you still build SOME MR...

Meep ManFeb 4, 20182 votes

I usually build item 3194 and/or item 3065 depending on who I'm playing. Anymore MR I get is usually a bonus that goes with something else I'm going for, like the MR on item 3193 and item 3512 . If I'm a damage champion, I just build item 3156 or item 3102 (maybe item 3139 ) and don't focus too much more into it as those are the only damage items you can get without really falling behind in the arms race of either DPS or Burst.

ThilmerFeb 4, 20184 votes

You know, the explanation is as follows:

-AP champions are supposed to do burst damage.

-AD champions are supposedd to do sustained damage.

But rigth now AD champions can do sustained burst damage (!) making AP champions irrelevant. And let's not forget that one ítem for magic resistance allows you to tank against three mages, while you need two or three armour ítems if you don't want to get deleted by one ADC.

RainbowIceeFeb 4, 20183 votes

I think we just need more constant damage mages like Cassiopeia Azir Kayle instead of bursts or cheese. If the enemy has a cass that's not an ignorable threat.