Can we make untargetability less forgiving?

Clint Orris··5 votes·637 views

And yes this is a rant about fizz. I understand he's an assasin but there needs to be some sort of consequence if he fucks up.

I feel like if the target was targeted by homing abilities or autoattacks before the target goes untargetable, they should still get damaged. Of course he won't be able to be targeted once he's on the pole.

Please keep in mind that untargetability and invulnerability are two different effects.

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archerno13 votes

Then how is he gonna survive laning phase against poke champs?

Clint Orris3 votes

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Then how is he gonna survive laning phase against poke champs?

What are you talking about? Lux, Xerath, Ziggs, velkoz all have skillshots so it doesn't apply to them at all...did you even read the post? Lol

archerno14 votes

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What are you talking about? Lux, Xerath, Ziggs,

Fizz is melee. His E is his only protection against targetted abilities that would completely destroy him. How else would he counter Syndras ulti? Or Anivias E? Veigars ulti...

Clint Orris2 votes

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Fizz is melee. His E is his only protection against targetted abilities that would completely destroy him. How else would he counter Syndras ulti? Or Anivias E? Veigars ulti...

You're talking about a few abilities out literally hundred. There are many counters, the new Banshee's, Zhonyas, MR...and if fizz is getting hit by anivias E he clearly failed to jump the Q...just saying lol

Clint Orris1 votes

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You're talking about a few abilities out of literally hundreds. There are many counters, the new Banshee's, Zhonyas, MR...and if fizz is getting hit by anivias E he clearly failed to jump the Q...just saying lol

archerno14 votes

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You're talking about a few abilities out literally hundred. There are many counters, the new Banshee's, Zhonyas, MR...and if fizz is getting hit by anivias E he clearly failed to jump the Q...just saying lol

What about R E combo? Sorry but Fizz needs his E to stay relevant.

Clint Orris2 votes

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What about R E combo? Sorry but Fizz needs his E to stay relevant.

you know they removed the R E instant combo right?

420 grams1 votes

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What about R E combo? Sorry but Fizz needs his E to stay relevant.

I don't think this post is suggesting to remove the ability all together, just to truly make untargetablity instead of invulnerablilty.

Joxcab2 votes

It's not invulnerability.

Clint Orris1 votes

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Fizz is melee. His E is his only protection against targetted abilities that would completely destroy him. How else would he counter Syndras ulti? Or Anivias E? Veigars ulti...

And out of 136 champions, Annie ,Nautilus , Lissandra , TwistedFate , Vi has a targeted hard CC and more than half those are tied to an ultimate.

Out of all the other melee assassins, fizz is the ONLY one that such an easy access to becoming untargtable. 10 seconds at max level and 6 seconds with max cdr...

Lauchmelder1 votes

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archerno13 votes

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I'm fine with that "explanation". Let's make the troll pole his ult and give him another E.

After all, why should a basic ability be the counter to an ultimate ability.

Why not? Same with Sivir,Morgana, Nocturne...

Lauchmelder1 votes

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archerno13 votes

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The difference? Those 3 champions have something on those abilities called cooldown.

So does Fizz

Lauchmelder1 votes

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Joxcab1 votes

It's not 4 seconds.

Lauchmelder1 votes

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Joxcab2 votes

No, it's a full 6 seconds at rank 5 E with 40% CDR. Fizz usually doesn't go for the extra 5% because the spellpen is a lot more valuable.

And "powerful" is subjective.

Lauchmelder1 votes

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Joxcab2 votes

People would be more likely to take you seriously if you used the correct terminology. It's not invincibility.

Joxcab2 votes

How so? I'm pointing out you are using literally incorrect terms that are completely different from each other.

The spellshields last longer and some (like Sivir's) have the same cooldown as Fizz's E. Fizz's E can dodge the ability altogether, but cannot stop DoTs/debuffs/etc already placed on him from continuously ticking.

archerno13 votes

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A 4 second cooldown is pretty much non existent.

Its 18/16/14/12/10 per lvl. If u reduce that by 40% it goes to 6 sec. But remember, on rank 1 its 18 sec. U can make his life HELL early game.

Ralanr1 votes

Granted the less targeted abilities there are, the less his pole is needed as is.

Food for thought.

Mordepool3 votes

At release Fizz could be untargetable for the entire duration of playful Trickster. So like 4-5 seconds if you chose to hang out up top.

Now it's .75 seconds from when you hop from the ground to the pole.

So please tell me how it needs nerfs knowing that it's actually a skill based window of power

Joxcab2 votes

Yes let's remove the point of untargetability why not.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

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