Braum's Q should actually scale something

The Ecdysiast··6 votes·1,712 views

There's no reason at all his Q should scale HP when it scales almost none at all. Even if you built 6 Warmogs, that's a whopping total of 156 damage, including his base at level 18. That's lower than the ability's base damage at rank 4, and near half of it at rank 5.

But actually, his full build of item 3401 item 3109 item 3190 item 3107 item 3050 only gives him one Warmog's worth of HP total. If we include his base HP at level 18 and Resolve's 270 from bringing Inspiration secondary, that's only 1070. So a grand total of 78 damage on his Q at level 18 with full build.

I don't even care if they bullshit it like his ult and give it 60% AP scaling, but it should scale something so it's even possible to get more than 158 damage from it.

As far as I know, 2.5% of max health is literally the lowest scaling of any ability in the entire game.


And the argument that he's a tank is completely invalid seeing as every other tank, including and especially the tank supports, has scaling on their damaging abilities. Are you going to call for the removal of Leona's/Naut's/Blitz's/Alistar's AP scalings "because they're a tank support and doesn't need any scalings" of course not. That'd be stupid. So is thinking Braum would somehow become overpowered with AP scaling when I just told you his most common and most effective buildpath, which contains only 30 AP.

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BrightWîngs8 votes

because hes a tank support he shouldnt be doing damage to begin with you dont Q people for damage you Q them for the slow and to apply his passive

The Ecdysiast2 votes

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because hes a tank support he shouldnt be doing damage to begin with you dont Q people for damage you Q them for the slow and to apply his passive

Every other tank support has multiple movement-stopping abilities, all of which scale AP. Braum's Q is only a slow. and they don't build AP in the first place, but giving him lower scaling than ENCHANTERS, and literally every other tank in the game have on their damage is ridiculous.

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Pretty sure it used to scale more off his Max HP, it used to hit like a truck.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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Pretty sure it used to scale more off his Max HP, it used to hit like a truck.

Nope, it just used to have slightly higher base damage. And that was before ranged champions were given a little bit of MR per level.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Well then, I stand corrected.

BrightWîngs3 votes

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Every other tank support has multiple movement-stopping abilities, all of which scale AP. Braum's Q is only a slow. and they don't build AP in the first place, but giving him lower scaling than ENCHANTERS, and literally every other tank in the game have on their damage is ridiculous.

that doesnt mean braum should do damage that not his purpose he is a protector support tank the reason other tanks does some damage is because if they did nothing at all there would be no reason to hit them and everyone would just ignore them braum is not every other tank sure he doesnt care if you hit him but he is there to peel so people need to get through him to get the target they want which results in hitting him

The Ecdysiast3 votes

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that doesnt mean braum should do damage that not his purpose he is a protector support tank the reason other tanks does some damage is because if they did nothing at all there would be no reason to hit them and everyone would just ignore them braum is not every other tank sure he doesnt care if you hit him but he is there to peel so people need to get through him to get the target they want which results in hitting him

You'd have a point, except as I said, all other supports have either better CC or better protection than Braum but stil have actual scaling on their damage abilities.

BrightWîngs1 votes

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You'd have a point, except as I said, all other supports have either better CC or better protection than Braum but stil have actual scaling on their damage abilities.

the champions I can think of is maybe Alistar Leona Nautilus and they do some decent damage but they are more engage than peel I think you underestimate how much braum can peel getting through a good braum feels damn near impossible sometimes

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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the champions I can think of is maybe Alistar Leona Nautilus and they do some decent damage but they are more engage than peel I think you underestimate how much braum can peel getting through a good braum feels damn near impossible sometimes

The same could be applied to all of them as well. And they scale AP. They don't build it, but they scale it. All I'm asking is that Braum scale if I wanna do something stupid like AP Braum. Or at least have that late-game 42 bonus damage just put into the base damage of his Q (since if you actually buy Guardian items you don't get anywhere near the health needed for it to be 120.)

Ayzev1 votes

But why should he stay shackled to this protective role and not be able to build damage? Isn't build diversity supposed to be a good thing? I guess such a build would make him the opposite of what he is in his lore, but is it really not enough to have his defensive builds be superior rather than the only option?

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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But why should he stay shackled to this protective role and not be able to build damage? Isn't build diversity supposed to be a good thing? I guess such a build would make him the opposite of what he is in his lore, but is it really not enough to have his defensive builds be superior rather than the only option?

"The opposite of what he is in his lore"

because being able to punch through an entire mountain barehanded contradicts the idea of being able to damage opponents somehow

Ayzev1 votes

What I meant was that he normally protects stuff, and giving him damage would make him slaughter stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I'm with you here. I don't want builds and playstyles to be restricted. Ideally, as unrealistic as this may be, I'd like any champion to be viable with any build, with the more sensible ones working only a little bit better.

Warlord Rhinark3 votes

Give it a 50% AP scaling and call it a day.

excelsheet12 votes

The problem with I have with Braum is that is is 100% team dependent. If your team is doing well he is the greatest play maker ever. If your team sucks, he sucks (generally speaking). I do agree that he there should be more payoff (at least in the fun department) for hitting your q and procing the passive (which can be hard to do in the league of mobility era of this game). I honestly think some damage his way is warranted. But, at the same time, if he is over tuned he will end up in weird spots like top lane because his hit has so much utility. (but, would that be so bad?)

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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The problem with I have with Braum is that is is 100% team dependent. If your team is doing well he is the greatest play maker ever. If your team sucks, he sucks (generally speaking). I do agree that he there should be more payoff (at least in the fun department) for hitting your q and procing the passive (which can be hard to do in the league of mobility era of this game). I honestly think some damage his way is warranted. But, at the same time, if he is over tuned he will end up in weird spots like top lane because his hit has so much utility. (but, would that be so bad?)

I'm not asking that they overtune him. Wtf is with people thinking this? Leona has AP scaling. Alistar has AP scaling. Nautilus has AP scaling. Blitz has AP scaling. None of them actually BUILD AP. Neither would Braum. I just want it to be there.

excelsheet11 votes

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I'm not asking that they overtune him. Wtf is with people thinking this? Leona has AP scaling. Alistar has AP scaling. Nautilus has AP scaling. Blitz has AP scaling. None of them actually BUILD AP. Neither would Braum. I just want it to be there.

I meant to mean that braum could be a champ that might be easy yo unintentionally over tune.

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