Instead of nerfing broken champions, Riot is nerfing Brand, Swain, Rammus and Master Yi.

Danny DeVito·Nov 23, 2015·5 votes·1,253 views

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/11/1123-pbe-update.html#more

And buffing Riven.

I'm done.

21 Comments

IonianNov 23, 20155 votes

Brand nerfs are super welcome.

MudintheWaterNov 23, 20151 votes

They didn't go nearly far enough. 20 mana at rank 5 on his w is nothing and doesn't address why he's so stupid right now.

IonianNov 23, 20151 votes

Tbh yeah they should either gut the % damage, make the passive do all of its damage in 1 hit, or lower bounce range on R. The 2nd option would be the best imo.

J EevoNov 23, 20151 votes

Brand only needed a nerf because the Deathfire keystone has ridiculous synergy with his passive, why not tweak the keystone instead of nerfing brand then?

HoseeNov 23, 20151 votes

Yes because if only Brand is the one that is extremely op with the mastery, makes sense to nerf the mastery instead of just him right? Because might as well nerf all champs that use it instead of just one.

J EevoNov 23, 20151 votes

He's not though, the mastery is obnoxious on every dot (Swain's rise to power is because of Deathfire synergy as well, along with Malza's and Anivia's ) champions that have dots that can proc it are all doing exceptionally well - and yet we're seeing nerfs to the dot champions instead.

KorilloNov 23, 20153 votes

Brand is broken tho

ModWulf HelhammerNov 23, 20153 votes

I think what the OP meant to say is

Instead of nerfing champions that I thought were broken (but weren't actually), Riot is nerfing champions that are actually broken this patch, and buffing champions that need help with the new changes

RebonackNov 23, 20152 votes

Brand and Swain are both crazy right now with the new Deathfire mastery.

Gregor GysiNov 23, 20152 votes

I think Riot is not balancing to please your feelings but rather according to data they have. If you do have generally trouble understanding why they do stuff I suggest you take a look at champion.gg This page provides you with useful information that very often explains the decisions of the balancing team.

SEKAINov 23, 20151 votes

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I think Riot is not balancing to please your feelings but rather according to data they have.

I like how you didn't mention that they balance FAIRLY according to the data they have, because you're so spot on about that.

137434Nov 23, 20152 votes

The Yi nerf is because AP Yi was starting to make a comeback with the new rageblade and gunblade... and is warranted.

SEKAINov 23, 20152 votes

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The Yi nerf is because AP Yi was starting to make a comeback with the new rageblade and gunblade... and is warranted.

And they say they want champ pool and build diversity, when clearly that is only limited to a portion of the entire roster.

137434Nov 24, 20151 votes

They only want build diversity if it is healthy. AP Yi is not healthy. He can still quickly kill you with just gunblade, rageblade, and a jungle item, then because of his W and focus on AP can heal up any damage that you do to him and be on his way.

SEKAINov 23, 20152 votes

Does Yi even need a nerf?

Gutting an already nonexistent scaling of a pitiful .3 by half seems outright unnecessary.

Why mustn't AP Yi be played, even when he has quite literally nothing benefiting from building AP? Why mustn't he build anything that resembles a hybrid build?

Riot and their retarded/ridiculously biased, pigeonholing and 1 dimensional balance policy.

Skia AsteriNov 23, 20151 votes

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Does Yi even need a nerf?

Gutting an already nonexistent scaling of a pitiful .3 by half seems outright unnecessary.

Why mustn't AP Yi be played, even when he has quite literally nothing benefiting from building AP? Why mustn't he build anything that resembles a hybrid build?

Riot and their retarded/ridiculously biased, pigeonholing and 1 dimensional balance policy.

It was 0.3 ap per tick.

SEKAINov 23, 20152 votes

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It was 0.3 ap per tick.

It self stuns himself, is easily interruptible, with not too impressive of a heal unless low health or have massive AP pool and has a 35 second fixed CD.

Yi has no other AP scaling other than his W, I see no issues for him being allowed to build AP or hybrid, it's nonsense to simply not allow so.

Even if you wish to cut the scaling, you shouldn't start with half.

Wolfram OxfordNov 23, 20151 votes

Hey its a start, in my opinion there are a lot of champions that need balancing but aren't touched because they haven't been used too much in solo queue. some examples I can think of are Lulu and Janna.