Having Fiora disabled almost feels like having a 4th ban

Danny DeVito··254 votes·5,662 views

Thanks Riot

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Boxpencil9 votes

Ty papa rito

Orangesilk4 votes

Thanks Rito for not making me think about how to beat a champion, now I can go back to the old days of out statting the other champion with no interaction whatsoever. Boy do I miss the Trundle vs Shyvana toplane meta the slapfights were something truly mind wrecking.

DarkfireAM4 votes

Then why is Fiora banned in high levels of play? Lol

Orangesilk1 votes

Because she's annoying because she forces you to think.

She sits at 50% winrate in plat+, as balanced as it gets

charcharmunro8 votes

The problem is she forces a lot more counterplay than she herself has to do.

Orangesilk2 votes

Have you PLAYED as Fiora?, it's ENTIRELY about counterplay, you can't just trade in and expect to win, her bases are very low because she's balanced around parrying effectively in a trade. In fact, if you're not reacting to what the enemy laner is doing to make the trade be as lopsided as possible you are losing the lane.

Fiora is one of the FEW fair toplaners, she doesn't mindlessly outstat you Malphite Nautilus DrMundo Pantheon Jax Olaf Poppy Garen Darius Volibear , nor does she harass you from outside your range Pantheon Quinn Graves Lulu Kennen Gnar Lissandra

She goes in for a fair trade and then attempts to counter whatever you do to make it unfair, it's not an unfair trade to begin with.

BetaDude403 votes

I consider the champion unfair when she is capable of stopping a move literally called "Unstoppable Force", which no other move in the entire game can stop.

And yeah, your argument is pretty flawed when she can build tank with a few damage items and out-damage nearly any top laner with uncounterable %hp true damage.

Carnicore7 votes

She doesn't stop Malphite, she just refuses to be knocked up. Just like my ex.

DeathBot6662 votes

Want to know the ultimate counter to Fiora?

Be a bronze where no one knows how to effectively use her W.

BetaDude402 votes

You and I must play against different types of Bronzes, because the ones I tend to see aren't that horrifyingly stupid

KingKong23502 votes

Why in gods name were you trying to knock anyone up

DracosKasu2 votes

Oh so there no one else who cant stop malphite ult guess what Sivir and fizz can do it too

BetaDude401 votes

Fizz doesn't stop the effect, he merely avoids it. If the rest of your team was unfortunate enough to be standing alongside Fizz in the blast radius (which is ungodly horrible positioning, but whatever) they will still be knocked into the air.

Spell shields do prevent the CC and damage (I don't know how it fares with other team mates nearby, I'll have to test that), but they don't physically stop Malphite's only gap closer, so at the very least he can still do something useful (or get nuked by your team, either one)

What Fiora does is what I have a problem with. Not only does she prevent the CC and damage, she instantly puts Malphite in his tracks, stunning him and leaving him extremely vulnerable, or just allowing Fiora to escape the radius of his Cheese Wheel of Doom so she can run away.

And I'm not even going to address how the passive true damage pretty much invalidates Malphite's attempt to win if Fiora just builds tanky with maybe a bloodthirster or something.

bobsenbob2 votes

......so does fiora, she avoids it, she doesn't get hit by it, she doesn't stop it for the rest of her team

Pink Chocolade 1 votes

Olaf ult too

DarkfireAM4 votes

Using the argument that - "She forces you to think", doenst justify how unfairly strong she is at ALL levels of play.

You cant honestly belive that if people from low to high elo conplain about a champions strength they are wrong are you?

In what way does she force you to "think" by building full tank, shreading TANKS with her true damage, and then healing 30-50% of hp afterwards. There is little to NO counterplay to that, as several PRO players have very clearly stated.

Iqqi8 votes

He just wants his OP top lane champion back. Like all the kiddies complaining that they even touched Xin. Thread yesterday of some kid complaining that champions were flashing away from him before he could Q and "knock them up".

The world we live in.

DarkfireAM1 votes

I'm going to be honest that was my initial though, but I wanted to open up a legitimate debate.

Really just to see how he can prove to me that Fiora is balanced.

Sentinos1 votes

Because the garen/dar/etc./everyotherult parry. Plus the ult that spawns 4 vitals for you to regen and deal extra dmg, plus the team heal after.

Fear Popo5 votes

Lol @ people actually wasting bans on Fiora

Melledoneus9 votes

So... how much does a Plat account go for these days?

Tritan2 votes

{quoted}

So... how much does a Plat account go for these days?

how bad does life suck these days?

Melledoneus5 votes

Life is pretty good. The college life is fun. How's elementary?

Orangesilk2 votes

I mean, just saying, the circlejerking in this thread does feel like middle school all over again.

Melledoneus1 votes

Uh... I don't think we had the same middle school experience lol.

Tritan1 votes

{quoted}

Life is pretty good. The college life is fun. How's elementary?

he didnt even insult you at all and you called him boosted because he doesnt share the same opinion.

you either have no social skills or you are an asshole

Kking Harambe5 votes

i hoped she could stay disabled for a month or so ... now she's in every game auto win... Fiora just her stupid face pisses me off [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Moonshade3 votes

Throw Malphite at her and get your Jungler to camp the lane, problem solved

Masala Chai10 votes

Really? Malphite is one of my easier lanes. The ult is very telegraphed which means you can parry.

Moonshade5 votes

I always had issues because I found Malphites always held their ults, helped the jungle always had CC I needed to parry first but still. Elise, Sej, Rammus, and Graggas Jungles have all camped me top against Malphite on Fiora, I'm a trash Fiora but still I haven't been able to parry his ult because he either uses it point blank (it comes out too quick for me to time then) or saves it until I parried a jungler CC

Orangesilk3 votes

Shh, don't tell these guys Malphite can actually hold on to his ult, they never would have figured it out.

FastAsHeck4 votes

fiora can also hold on to her W bro

Orangesilk1 votes

If a Malphite telegraphs his ult in the Fiora matchup, that's a terrible malphite, overall malphite is a fantastic counter to Fiora if you have more neurons than fingers (which OP clearly doesn't).

Quackdratic Duck9 votes

So we need to use two champions in a match if we want to fight against Fiora early? And picking something else is a guaranteed lose? Totally balanced.

Orangesilk1 votes

Well, there's millions of hard counters like Quinn, Lulu, Lissandra, Mantheon basically anyone who pokes her can win even without outplaying her.

Then again, if you manage to outplay her parry, almost any champion can beat her based on numbers alone since her base damages are so low.

Then again, asking the kind of mouth breathers who complain about Fiora to actually try and out play another player MIGHT be asking for too much.

DarkfireAM3 votes

I generally do pretty good as Darius vs Fiora. Then again who can beat my Lv.1 cheese :p

Masala Chai1 votes

Tbh, those are actually all easy matchups except maybe Pantheon. You can parry Quinn's Vault, (you can also parry Harrier and Blinding Assault to get rid of a lot of damage), Lulu's Whimsy, and Lissandra's ultimate and snare (this being somewhat harder). You can also gap close on then pretty fast because of Lunge and Bladework, and get a Phage speedboost. Then rape then with Guaranteed crits, and max health true damage.

4th Chiming Lamb1 votes

Renekton is a pretty fun matchup to her. You can actually bait out her W with him, unlike some others which HAVE to use CC to blow it.

SirHeavyScrotum1 votes

Yes the guy who wants to stack health and armor has SO MUCH FUN AGAINST MS. FREE % MAX HEALTH TRUE DAMAGE

Fiora is a tank killer who can easily win 1v1 against any tank, especially Malphite. The thing you have to realize is that what you said is true of any lane for Malphite, just come top every time his ult is up and you get free kills with any jungler.

Moonshade1 votes

You have to realize that her % max HP true damage isn't enough to 100-0 you early, at level 8 with 100 bonus AD her marks will only pop for 6.5% of your Max HP each. Times 5 (1 proc into ult and u being a brick and letting her hit all 4 additional marks) is still only 32.5% of your Max HP as true damage. To kill you she needs to do 67.5% of your HP as physical damage in that trade window which will be mitigated by your W and all the armor that Malphite loves to buy. Yes she can proc more marks if u let her but point is that even if u make it easy for her (stand still, don't kite back, let her Q through u to proc that mark thats facing your tower, ensure her fairly telegraphed W damage hits one of her marks, etc...), early game she will deal less than half your HP as true damage. As context Tahm Kench with his lv5 W will do 32% max HP damage to u (as magic but still), and it takes him MUCH less effort since he just needs to AA twice plus Q to eat u.

If Fiora has a favorable mark (facing her) just back out of her vision and it will fall off and reset, if she goes in to trade don't make it easy on her and position so shes opposite her marks they're what she wants to hit then back off. Try and go for extended trades if u get a lead since once she blows her CDs her AA damage isn't much unless u let her tag a mark. I've seen Malphites just walk up and keep smacking a Fiora to near death when she tried to go in on him for a trade, he just Qed to slow and kept smacking her until she was under her tower by which point she was under half and her trade on the Malphite did only about 1/4

Orangesilk3 votes

This thread really is pathetic, and you guys wonder why Riot takes the boards community much less seriously than Reddits, and why they come here once in a blue moon to discuss balance.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

I asked someone why they didn't just pick Heimerdinger or Lissandra and its because "well, they auto counter melee champions". #feelsbadman #gimmemyoldfioraback

Lugg2 votes

....and the game is so much better for it.

ZeeWolfZ2 votes

Riot's first step in the right Direction this Season. Just Add Yi to "disabled" section for a few weeks and honestly, we wouldn't be asking for 5 bans each.

Your third mom2 votes

Fucking true its was suck a great period of time. Maaaaaan ranked was soo great but then she was availible again and fucked entire game with yasuos E for her Q litteraly every 1-2 seconds dashes and has nothing but mana to use it while something like blitc get slowed after moving forward for few secs AND has a mana cost together with hudge cooldown

agbudar2 votes

yea that sort of response is what you get riot when a champion counters her counters.

Xirhanna2 votes

Thank you Gaben. <3

No More Cages1 votes

Dear Mother Serpent, the spite in the replies to this thread is painful.

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