Having Fiora disabled almost feels like having a 4th ban
Thanks Riot
Thanks Riot
Ty papa rito
Thanks Rito for not making me think about how to beat a champion, now I can go back to the old days of out statting the other champion with no interaction whatsoever. Boy do I miss the Trundle vs Shyvana toplane meta the slapfights were something truly mind wrecking.
Then why is Fiora banned in high levels of play? Lol
Because she's annoying because she forces you to think.
She sits at 50% winrate in plat+, as balanced as it gets
The problem is she forces a lot more counterplay than she herself has to do.
Have you PLAYED as Fiora?, it's ENTIRELY about counterplay, you can't just trade in and expect to win, her bases are very low because she's balanced around parrying effectively in a trade. In fact, if you're not reacting to what the enemy laner is doing to make the trade be as lopsided as possible you are losing the lane.
Fiora is one of the FEW fair toplaners, she doesn't mindlessly outstat you
, nor does she harass you from outside your range

She goes in for a fair trade and then attempts to counter whatever you do to make it unfair, it's not an unfair trade to begin with.
I consider the champion unfair when she is capable of stopping a move literally called "Unstoppable Force", which no other move in the entire game can stop.
And yeah, your argument is pretty flawed when she can build tank with a few damage items and out-damage nearly any top laner with uncounterable %hp true damage.
She doesn't stop Malphite, she just refuses to be knocked up. Just like my ex.
Want to know the ultimate counter to
?
Be a bronze where no one knows how to effectively use her W.
You and I must play against different types of Bronzes, because the ones I tend to see aren't that horrifyingly stupid
Why in gods name were you trying to knock anyone up
Oh so there no one else who cant stop malphite ult guess what Sivir and fizz can do it too
Fizz doesn't stop the effect, he merely avoids it. If the rest of your team was unfortunate enough to be standing alongside Fizz in the blast radius (which is ungodly horrible positioning, but whatever) they will still be knocked into the air.
Spell shields do prevent the CC and damage (I don't know how it fares with other team mates nearby, I'll have to test that), but they don't physically stop Malphite's only gap closer, so at the very least he can still do something useful (or get nuked by your team, either one)
What Fiora does is what I have a problem with. Not only does she prevent the CC and damage, she instantly puts Malphite in his tracks, stunning him and leaving him extremely vulnerable, or just allowing Fiora to escape the radius of his Cheese Wheel of Doom so she can run away.
And I'm not even going to address how the passive true damage pretty much invalidates Malphite's attempt to win if Fiora just builds tanky with maybe a bloodthirster or something.
......so does fiora, she avoids it, she doesn't get hit by it, she doesn't stop it for the rest of her team
Olaf ult too
Using the argument that - "She forces you to think", doenst justify how unfairly strong she is at ALL levels of play.
You cant honestly belive that if people from low to high elo conplain about a champions strength they are wrong are you?
In what way does she force you to "think" by building full tank, shreading TANKS with her true damage, and then healing 30-50% of hp afterwards. There is little to NO counterplay to that, as several PRO players have very clearly stated.
He just wants his OP top lane champion back. Like all the kiddies complaining that they even touched Xin. Thread yesterday of some kid complaining that champions were flashing away from him before he could Q and "knock them up".
The world we live in.
I'm going to be honest that was my initial though, but I wanted to open up a legitimate debate.
Really just to see how he can prove to me that Fiora is balanced.
Because the garen/dar/etc./everyotherult parry. Plus the ult that spawns 4 vitals for you to regen and deal extra dmg, plus the team heal after.
Lol @ people actually wasting bans on Fiora
So... how much does a Plat account go for these days?
So... how much does a Plat account go for these days?
how bad does life suck these days?
Life is pretty good. The college life is fun. How's elementary?
I mean, just saying, the circlejerking in this thread does feel like middle school all over again.
Uh... I don't think we had the same middle school experience lol.
i hoped she could stay disabled for a month or so ... now she's in every game auto win...
just her stupid face pisses me off [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Throw Malphite at her and get your Jungler to camp the lane, problem solved
Really? Malphite is one of my easier lanes. The ult is very telegraphed which means you can parry.
I always had issues because I found Malphites always held their ults, helped the jungle always had CC I needed to parry first but still. Elise, Sej, Rammus, and Graggas Jungles have all camped me top against Malphite on Fiora, I'm a trash Fiora but still I haven't been able to parry his ult because he either uses it point blank (it comes out too quick for me to time then) or saves it until I parried a jungler CC
Shh, don't tell these guys Malphite can actually hold on to his ult, they never would have figured it out.
fiora can also hold on to her W bro
If a Malphite telegraphs his ult in the Fiora matchup, that's a terrible malphite, overall malphite is a fantastic counter to Fiora if you have more neurons than fingers (which OP clearly doesn't).
So we need to use two champions in a match if we want to fight against Fiora early? And picking something else is a guaranteed lose? Totally balanced.
Well, there's millions of hard counters like Quinn, Lulu, Lissandra, Mantheon basically anyone who pokes her can win even without outplaying her.
Then again, if you manage to outplay her parry, almost any champion can beat her based on numbers alone since her base damages are so low.
Then again, asking the kind of mouth breathers who complain about Fiora to actually try and out play another player MIGHT be asking for too much.
I generally do pretty good as Darius vs Fiora. Then again who can beat my Lv.1 cheese :p
Tbh, those are actually all easy matchups except maybe Pantheon. You can parry Quinn's Vault, (you can also parry Harrier and Blinding Assault to get rid of a lot of damage), Lulu's Whimsy, and Lissandra's ultimate and snare (this being somewhat harder). You can also gap close on then pretty fast because of Lunge and Bladework, and get a Phage speedboost. Then rape then with Guaranteed crits, and max health true damage.
Renekton is a pretty fun matchup to her. You can actually bait out her W with him, unlike some others which HAVE to use CC to blow it.
Yes the guy who wants to stack health and armor has SO MUCH FUN AGAINST MS. FREE % MAX HEALTH TRUE DAMAGE
Fiora is a tank killer who can easily win 1v1 against any tank, especially Malphite. The thing you have to realize is that what you said is true of any lane for Malphite, just come top every time his ult is up and you get free kills with any jungler.
You have to realize that her % max HP true damage isn't enough to 100-0 you early, at level 8 with 100 bonus AD her marks will only pop for 6.5% of your Max HP each. Times 5 (1 proc into ult and u being a brick and letting her hit all 4 additional marks) is still only 32.5% of your Max HP as true damage. To kill you she needs to do 67.5% of your HP as physical damage in that trade window which will be mitigated by your W and all the armor that Malphite loves to buy. Yes she can proc more marks if u let her but point is that even if u make it easy for her (stand still, don't kite back, let her Q through u to proc that mark thats facing your tower, ensure her fairly telegraphed W damage hits one of her marks, etc...), early game she will deal less than half your HP as true damage. As context Tahm Kench with his lv5 W will do 32% max HP damage to u (as magic but still), and it takes him MUCH less effort since he just needs to AA twice plus Q to eat u.
If Fiora has a favorable mark (facing her) just back out of her vision and it will fall off and reset, if she goes in to trade don't make it easy on her and position so shes opposite her marks they're what she wants to hit then back off. Try and go for extended trades if u get a lead since once she blows her CDs her AA damage isn't much unless u let her tag a mark. I've seen Malphites just walk up and keep smacking a Fiora to near death when she tried to go in on him for a trade, he just Qed to slow and kept smacking her until she was under her tower by which point she was under half and her trade on the Malphite did only about 1/4
This thread really is pathetic, and you guys wonder why Riot takes the boards community much less seriously than Reddits, and why they come here once in a blue moon to discuss balance.
I asked someone why they didn't just pick Heimerdinger or Lissandra and its because "well, they auto counter melee champions". #feelsbadman #gimmemyoldfioraback
....and the game is so much better for it.
Riot's first step in the right Direction this Season. Just Add Yi to "disabled" section for a few weeks and honestly, we wouldn't be asking for 5 bans each.
Fucking true its was suck a great period of time. Maaaaaan ranked was soo great but then she was availible again and fucked entire game with yasuos E for her Q litteraly every 1-2 seconds dashes and has nothing but mana to use it while something like blitc get slowed after moving forward for few secs AND has a mana cost together with hudge cooldown
yea that sort of response is what you get riot when a champion counters her counters.
Thank you Gaben. <3
Dear Mother Serpent, the spite in the replies to this thread is painful.