Grievous wounds def needs to be removed, it isn't a healthy mechanic(PLEASE READ)

Pyrithegethon·Nov 23, 2016·4 votes·529 views

In the current state of the game if grievous wounds was removed Soraka would be pick pan, Swain would steamroll the game, ADCs will be more bullshit, and Aatrox will gain 0.05% win rate.

Grievous wounds in its current form does not allow certain champs to function to their strengths without being either obsolete or op to make up for weakened healing.

Grievous wounds vs Illaoi in teamfights makes her worthless but Grievous wounds vs Vladimir keeps him in check and not immortal.

We need to make it so Grievous wounds is no longer in this game but must change other champs that would be ridiculous without it plus every AD that buys lots of lifesteal or just 2 lifesteal items

13 Comments

Critmaster GarenNov 23, 20162 votes

i actually agree on this.

at the very least grievous wounds should be restricted to windowed actives instead of just being slapped on as passive on items.

item 3123 and item 3033 in particular is not a fair item. and im saying this as someone who uses it on a regular basis when facing ~~high sustain champs~~ any form of health sustain.

the game should be rebalanced around gw not being available like this.

L0ve Is BlueNov 23, 20162 votes

They tried that once. What a fucking horror it was.

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JefftiffyNov 23, 20161 votes

Man as I have played DOTA before, I feel really bad for those who hate grievous. Fighting AA (Ancient Apperation I think it was?) would piss you off. No healing and a slow bleed to death with a high initial burst for like 20s that is global and AoE grows the further it goes.

Critmaster GarenNov 23, 20161 votes

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Man as I have played DOTA before, I feel really bad for those who hate grievous. Fighting AA would piss you off. No healing and a slow bleed to death for like 20s that is global and AoE grows the further it goes.

this isnt dota. and its not like i personally hate this mechanic, but riot has objectively still not managed to implement it in a balanced way.

JefftiffyNov 23, 20161 votes

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this isnt dota. and its not like i personally hate this mechanic, but riot has objectively still not managed to implement it in a balanced way.

They have. The problem is how available it is. Why does item 3165 have conditional while item 3036 has full 24/7 all physical damage.

Critmaster GarenNov 23, 20161 votes

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They have. The problem is how available it is. Why does have conditional while has full 24/7 all physical damage.

historically, the stat was always so conditional that it was basically useless, or over the top and way too easily accessable like it is now.

CalabokNov 23, 20161 votes

no. we need Grievous wounds or DrMundo Aatrox will get out of control

Critmaster GarenNov 23, 20162 votes

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no. we need Grievous wounds or will get out of control

youre assuming sustain champions cant be rebalanced around gw not existing, why?

no one is proposing to just remove the stat without dealing with the consequences it would have. op is merely pointing out, that the interaction between sustain and gw is still not balanced.

hunterspecNov 23, 20163 votes

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no. we need Grievous wounds or will get out of control

yeah maybe if anyone played Aatrox

SchàdenfreudeNov 23, 20161 votes

Aatrox? is that a new item?

Dark NephthysNov 23, 20161 votes

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no. we need Grievous wounds or will get out of control

Even without Grievous wounds Aatrox is still nothing. I have played, and faced Aatrox and even when no one on the opposite side builds any GW (even something like item 3165 ) he still isn't really that strong. Though in my case when I was playing Aatrox sure I wasn't an amazing Aatrox player but even facing him wasn't that bad.

Though I will agree with the concerns for DrMundo and other champions like Vladimir Swain they can be quite op if it was removed.

RequiemsfireNov 23, 20161 votes

Grevous wounds isn't healthy, it becomes a 2 way street where grevous wounds is present and sustain mechanics become pathetic or grevous wounds are present and it becomes overbearing.

ChaddyFantomeNov 23, 20161 votes

GW was brought back because it is actually HARDER to balance sustain without it.

Without GW to keep it in check, Riot can't allow suistain to ever feel powerful. It has to basically be shit to be "balanced" without GW else it become immediately OP.

GW allows for them to make sustain strong while giving an element to counter it to play around.

While I personally think item 3165 still having GW right now is dumb and it should be on its own dedicated item instead, it only applies if you are under 40% of your HP, which means it isn't actually doing anything to u as long as you remain above, and if it is, you can back off and heal up again before going back in.

In the case of item 3123 , a champion getting this easily actually delays their powerspike significantly, and whats more is that they have to apply it via autoattacks and physical damage consistently to make it effective. Also, they have to give up on item 3034 if they get it.

this means as long as you don't get hit buy it or you can manage to avoid it, you are fine. in teamfights, taking down the GW should therefore be priority to allow your sustainers to sustain, and in 9/10 it is the ADC anyway,. who you should already be prioritizing.

it sounds weird at first, especially with other changes made to the game like the removal of many auras and the the changes to stealth, but that s why GW was brought back into the game.