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Can Kindred get a rework?

KnightLakega·2/16/2020, 5:49:51 AM·12 votes·7,445 views

Several base reasons I'm going to setup here:

  1. She's getting outscaled by everything

  2. New Jungle makes her extremely weak.

  3. Her kit and lore don't match at all.

  4. Her ult is either seriously good, or super worthless, and is easy to screw your team with.

  5. She's now getting outscaled by nearly everything. She needs marks to stay viable, yet everyone gets to see where those marks are.. She isn't even able to consistently 1v1 anymore, especially when lanes are now 1-2 levels ahead of you, and are now invading your jungle more often, or at least contesting your marks that are nearby. Even down in silver/gold I'm getting enemy lanes who'll instantly contest the mark on chickens, scuttles, etc. just to deny me.

Ontop of that you have champions like Senna, Nasus, Veigar, etc. who get infinite scaling for doing literally nothing more than anyone else does in the game.. simply csing... While kindred not only has to fight for her marks, but also has them capped...

  1. Kinda touched on it in 1, but to go more in depth. The new jungle makes her very weak. She has a very low HP pool, is very squishy, and can easily be turned on in ganks. Being even 1 level down makes her ganks super ineffective in most cases. Many times I've ganked top, or bottom, only to have them turn on me instantly, chunk me down to less than a 1/4th of my hp in half a second, and turn the fight around because I've only been able to plant my E, and Q once before nearly getting 1 shot.

  2. I'm going to simply post this by another person as it explains it well and has a good idea too it.

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Kindred needs a rework, IMO. Their ult is simultaneously the worst and one of the best in the game. If you use it well, you can save teammates and win teamfights. If you use it poorly, you can save your enemies and throw games.

Also, their kit doesn't capture the fantasy of a dual spirit of life and death. You are Lamb with a very angry particle effect.

Take away their ult, and give them what is essentially Karma's ult, but with no cooldown. Lamb has her kit, or you can press R to use Wolf's abilities. You'd still primarily control Lamb, but you'd have a suite of extra abilities.

Maybe even give them a new resource bar instead of mana: Life. Lamb's abilities and autoattacks generate Life, while Wolf's abilities consume Life.

  1. Her ultimate is good to buy your team time to chunk down that fed opponent, but not only is the size kinda small, but it can easily be turned against you in a fight. Her ultimate is either a saving grace, or completely useless, and many times it's not always obvious when it should and shouldn't be used, or when the enemy team is going to simply hope you're gonna use it because it actually helps them.

Kayle has an ult which makes her infinite, but not everyone around her, and does damage. Taric can make all his allies incinviclbe for a period, exactly like Kindreds, but with an even bigger radius, and again doesn't make all opponents invulnerable either..

23 Comments

ThunderCraft2/16/2020, 8:15:34 AM3 votes

only her passive needs a rework its too problematic

FSRER2/16/2020, 11:47:52 AM3 votes

I don't understand why Kindred mains started demanding a rework. The champion is very strong if played right and even in the hands of a skilled Jungler who has not learned Kindred, she still remains exceptionaly strong due to her clear speed, moving speed from Jungle to Lane and then back to Jungle and her general damage early-mid game. I see the people who are talking about her needing a rework or buffs, ignoring the fact that Kindred and every Jungler (with very few exceptions), are meant to be powerful early-mid game, not late game and Kindred is already strong in those phases and alongside her ult which, in a skilled player's hands, can create extremely good ganks and forced objective fights, she is a very solid pick Yes she has easy counterplay Yes the meta does not favour Junglers like her Does she need buffs? No, the meta will eventually change and her winrate will rise again Does she need a rework? No, her kit is solid, her jungling capabilities are solid and all in all she is very good

And as a side note, I do not like talking about winrates but just to not get a reply saying "hur dur look at her winrates", I am going to add here the fact that no matter the patch, since her small rework, she has always been around 50% wr in most elos which is also a sign that she is completely fine.

xox BaByDoLL xox2/16/2020, 6:08:08 AM3 votes

Buffs? Yeah! A whole ass rework? Nah....that's really unnecessary imo.

Im sure she'll be getting some buffs soon tho, around when her new skin drops xD

Naalith2/16/2020, 10:57:33 AM2 votes

Kindred's only problem, in my opinion, is that jungle currently revolves around picking Lee Sin or Jarvan and mindlessly smashing your keyboard to one shot the enemy. Most other junglers can't be good in that case until Riot takes their head out of their ass and nerfs the shit out of Lee Sin. I actually think Kindred's lore and kit match up pretty well and I can defend it here if anyone wants, I've done it before. I really like their ult as well.

The champion is borderline perfect in my eyes, lore and gameplay both. Feast or famine? Definitely, but an ADC jungler with a hunt mechanic which is what Kindred should always be will likely be that way with any kit. Plus the original rework was buns and I don't want Riot to fuck up again, so. After buffs it has become almost as good as the release kit in satisfactory gameplay, I really don't want them to nuke it and start from step one a second time.

Wyrmblade2/16/2020, 4:25:13 PM1 votes

I think Riot just wants you to play whatever character is newest.

JosephAngelo2/17/2020, 3:55:58 AM1 votes

I'm not interested in lore of any other character at all but kindred's teaser and release music and art completely fascinated me; their story was one of the only one's I've read of any character. I think the translation of Kindred's chilling lore into a playable champion was a pretty clear failure; wolf is such a insignificant and underwhelming part of their kit even though he is supposed to represent a terrifying and unavoidably violent and painful death. If anything lamb is the one who seems unavoidable - she is mobile as hell - while wolf is the one confined to the circle.

Also these two creatures seem to be like RIOT's rendition of the grim reaper, which is a very cool interpretation of the creature or avatar of death that has been consistently imagined by civilizations throughout all of history, but with that being said why do they have an ultimate that stops everyone in it from dying?

I think the dream of opponents of kindred tragically choosing between a wolf or a lamb with whom to fight to their inevitable death is completely non-existent in her kit; instead she is just a beautiful lamb creature with a beautiful bow that shoots people, which is kinda nice, it's just not the chilling, humbling experience I think it was intended to be.

So yeah I've been hoping for a rework since their release honestly.

Ambitious Minnow2/17/2020, 8:43:21 PM1 votes

{quoted}

Several base reasons I'm going to setup here:

  1. She's getting outscaled by everything

  2. New Jungle makes her extremely weak.

  3. Her kit and lore don't match at all.

  4. Her ult is either seriously good, or super worthless, and is easy to screw your team with.

  5. She's now getting outscaled by nearly everything. She needs marks to stay viable, yet everyone gets to see where those marks are.. She isn't even able to consistently 1v1 anymore, especially when lanes are now 1-2 levels ahead of you, and are now invading your jungle more often, or at least contesting your marks that are nearby. Even down in silver/gold I'm getting enemy lanes who'll instantly contest the mark on chickens, scuttles, etc. just to deny me.

Ontop of that you have champions like Senna, Nasus, Veigar, etc. who get infinite scaling for doing literally nothing more than anyone else does in the game.. simply csing... While kindred not only has to fight for her marks, but also has them capped...

  1. Kinda touched on it in 1, but to go more in depth. The new jungle makes her very weak. She has a very low HP pool, is very squishy, and can easily be turned on in ganks. Being even 1 level down makes her ganks super ineffective in most cases. Many times I've ganked top, or bottom, only to have them turn on me instantly, chunk me down to less than a 1/4th of my hp in half a second, and turn the fight around because I've only been able to plant my E, and Q once before nearly getting 1 shot.

  2. I'm going to simply post this by another person as it explains it well and has a good idea too it.

  1. Her ultimate is good to buy your team time to chunk down that fed opponent, but not only is the size kinda small, but it can easily be turned against you in a fight. Her ultimate is either a saving grace, or completely useless, and many times it's not always obvious when it should and shouldn't be used, or when the enemy team is going to simply hope you're gonna use it because it actually helps them.

Kayle has an ult which makes her infinite, but not everyone around her, and does damage. Taric can make all his allies incinviclbe for a period, exactly like Kindreds, but with an even bigger radius, and again doesn't make all opponents invulnerable either..

Nah. You just need more games with Kindred. She needs bug fixes, but the kit is fine. I see you're in iron right now. Start with berserker greaves, then the Essence Reaver. If you're not terribly behind, you now do good damage. In iron especially, follow with the Iceborne Gauntlet, then two of the crit cloaks. Laugh as entire enemy teams go down at lightning speed when your ten is around.

HideSide2/16/2020, 11:37:08 AM1 votes

What the hell is wrong with you ppl? Do you play champ because of that champ or because of lore? Champ is not supposed to match the lore but the lore is supposed to match the champ. You shouldnt change champ just because he does not express the lore how would you like. If that champ doesnt work intended whay, ok, but changing him for the sake of lore is bullsh;t...

Warmas2/16/2020, 12:06:56 PM1 votes

Everything you mention is far behind compared to what other champions need, take Nasus with the point and click slow for 5 seconds.

DamSonWhUFndThis2/16/2020, 3:58:03 PM1 votes

idk honestly why would you rework such beautifull champion