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Taking Double Edge Sword when you plan to be a tank late game?

ValyrianBlade··1 votes·754 views

I've realized in picking up J4 top a little more recently, that I like to play him as a lane bully early (because that's what he's good at) and transition him in to a tank late game.

I haven't really worked out a good build on him yet. I liked rushing Ravenous Hydra in to tank. I liked sitting on Tiamat, getting some health, building Titanic hydra and black cleaver in to tank. Etc...

One thing in common with my builds though, is I typically rush damage (e.g. Pickaxe in to tiamat, or phage in to black cleaver, etc...) and try to win trades in lane hard and get a few kills off of my lane opponent. This has worked really well for me, in the few games of J4 top I've played (despite top previously being my worst role and I know none of the matchups well) I typically go something like 2-0 in lane. Late game, since I'm the top laner, I go tank: Banshee's Veil, Dead man's plate, Randuin's omen, mercury treads, etc...

So anyways, finally getting to the point: I've done well taking offensive (21/9/0) masteries. I haven't taken double-edged sword. After my game today I decided to look up what masteries to take and nearly every J4 guide I looked at has double edged sword. It makes sense early game, 2% extra damage dealt for only 1% more taken, it will definitely help me get more kills in lane. I'm worried about late game though. I'm jumping in with my ultimate 1 v (3-5) and getting focused. Can I afford to be taking 1% extra damage?

Ultimately, is it worth taking double-edged sword when I'm planning to be the main tank on my team? Or should I just stick to the offensive masteries I have been using without it?

5 Comments

Binxy Prime1 votes

I usually get it anyways, 1% more damage sounds like a lot, but really thats almost always negligible as a tank, you are taking 1% more from the ADC that you are running down, and if their mid laner also blew everything on you which are generally the main sources of damage then you've already done your job, especially if you locked some people down before you died.

the 2% damage in lane also isn't huge but it can make the difference, and for 1 point its pretty damn good.

1% more from the other tank top laner, meh, 1% more from the Braum support OH NO, 1% more from most jungles isn't that much damage either.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I wouldn't worry about it too much. For every 1000 damage you take, you would take an extra 10 damage.

TehNACHO1 votes

Nooooooooooo.

% based stats are almost always late game, but damn near useless early game. For the job you're trying to get (early game damage, late game tank), Double Edge Sword would be failing you in both aspects.

MealReadytoEat1 votes

Double edged sword is always worthwhile for a melee champ if you need to spend an extra point early in the tree, otherwise its probably not worth the point.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

I'd have to drop another point in Warlord (already only taking 2/3) in order to take it.

I want the 5% CDR (plus 5% from 3 CDR/lvl glyphs), and I think expose weakness, spell weaving, and blade weaving are all worthwhile on him. Dangerous game could be dropped but as a tank I think it is valuable in teamfights as 5% health turns in to a lot if I've already killed the ADC and have built some health items.

Warlord isn't super valuable since it's only Bonus AD, which I'm only building a hydra and black cleaver at most...

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