Remove turret plates from bot lane turrets.

Neriticc·Sep 10, 2019·7 votes·4,395 views

It is the most snowball lane in League. It is so easy to take turret plates in the bot lane especially if the support takes Demolish. Each turret plate is the same worth as a kill so this makes these stupid ADC champions like Vayne, Kaisa, Jinx scale quicker.

Oh I took 3/4 of my HP and I need to recall, I guess I will just give the enemy ADC 2 kills worth of gold for free.

Remove the turret plates completely from bot lane. Bot lane makes the most gold in the game and it is the easiest. Lower the tankiness of the bot lane turrets slightly but no more turret plates.

29 Comments

mack9112Sep 10, 20195 votes

I mean why did you lose 3/4 of your health while your opponent did not ?

Because they outplayed you ?

So there reward is a turret plate.

NeriticcSep 10, 20191 votes

Lets say I’m playing against Velkoz or Brand support. Great, now I got to dodge the ADC and 500 things from the support while also trying to farm minions.

mack9112Sep 10, 20192 votes

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Lets say I’m playing against Velkoz or Brand support. Great, now I got to dodge the ADC and 500 things from the support while also trying to farm minions.

Every ability from both of those champions are incredibly telegraphed and dodgeable. I do play velkoz support and a good adc can dodge the abilities with ease.

And what is your support doing ?

Skill matchups exist and the better player wins.

xelakerSep 10, 20191 votes

You win the dumbest mindset of the day award good sir. Let's just make everything a oneshot? True skill would rein. No more turrets or inhibs either, those don't require skill.

mack9112Sep 10, 20192 votes

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You win the dumbest mindset of the day award good sir. Let's just make everything a oneshot? True skill would rein. No more turrets or inhibs either, those don't require skill.

If you are being oneshot then you are obviously being outplayed hard.

Maybe learn the matchups and understand Champion gameplay ?

One shotting in even games doesnt exist you die by being hit by an entire spell rotation which means you fucked up hard.

DerMangoJoghurtSep 10, 20195 votes

Each turret plate is the same worth as a kill

A normal kill without any bounty modifiers is worth 300 gold for the main kill plus 150 gold for the assist (which you are bound to get in bot lane). One plating is worth 160 gold divided among everyone in the vicinity.

Even if you destroy all five plates in a single push, you will get less gold than if you'd gotten two kills instead. Additionally, it is evenly distributed and not funneled into the carry.

Cind3rkickSep 10, 20194 votes

And when top/bot swap lanes?

NeriticcSep 10, 20191 votes

Top lane turrets is more tanky than bot lane turrets. They can swap lanes right now if they choose too but bot lane turret plates are easy to take.

HazeVictorySep 10, 20191 votes

Wait, how are the turrets top more tanky when turrets gain defenses based on how many opponents are near them?

Do bot turrets still not have the pre 5 min resistances?

LTK KoRoSep 10, 20191 votes

yes, bot turret still doesn't have fortification passive. That's good, since plates by itself dont prevent laneswaps

DeathBurstSep 10, 20194 votes

Each plate is worth half a kill, AND is shared between all champs present.

One kill is 300 g for the one that gets it and 150 for the other = 450 total.
One plate is 80 g for each = 160 total, barely more than a third.

xelakerSep 10, 20192 votes

Assuming you either killed or forced a back and had free minion farm without harass... so prob getting around 300-500g and wrecking a turret in one fell swoop and that's not really counting a double kill or turret kill.

DeathBurstSep 10, 20192 votes

You might be getting 300-500g from the whole action, but you're still getting only 160 from the plate. So removing plates, as OP is asking, would reduce that amount by 160, no matter what.

xelakerSep 11, 20191 votes

That's what I'm getting at. Why reward something that is already rewarded with more gold for doing what you are doing anyways? Should minions give bonus gold for taking them to half health?

DeathBurstSep 11, 20191 votes

That's a bad analogy. What is rewarded with Plates is not "getting a tower BELOW 50% health", it's "getting a tower below 50% health QUICKLY", because Plates are not permanent, they fall off at 14 minutes.

And, do you get a reward for clearing minions waves QUICKLY? Yes, you do. You definitely do. You get lane priority, you can roam, assist your jungler, etc.

Daddy AntsSep 10, 20193 votes

this makes these stupid ADC champions like Vayne, Kaisa, Jinx scale quicker.

Imagine taking towers as Vayne.

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

NeriticcSep 10, 20191 votes

I’m not talking about taking towers. I’m talking about turret plates in bot lane. Any ADC champion can take turret plates easy.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 10, 20191 votes

Yeah. IF they can win lane.

If Vayne is ever in a position to take your plates you fucked up beyond what is reasonably possible. That's like letting a Nasus have 600+ stacks by 20 minutes levels of fucking up. This is losing lane to Kayle immediately post-rework levels of fucking up. This is getting 1v5'd by Soraka levels of fucking up.

If a non-smurf Vayne is actually taking your plates no amount of changes will let you possibly win a match.

Daddy AntsSep 11, 20191 votes

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I’m not talking about taking towers. I’m talking about turret plates in bot lane. Any ADC champion can take turret plates easy.

Lmao.

Vayne's one of if not the worst ADC when it comes to taking plating/towers.

Darkdemon653Sep 10, 20192 votes

Gold needs to be removed from all 30 plates.

LTK KoRoSep 10, 20191 votes

...what would be the point of plates then?

Darkdemon653Sep 10, 20191 votes

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...what would be the point of plates then?

Turrets getting increased armor and MR based on health

Though I suppose you're right in saying turrets should simply start with and maintain their one-plate-left resistances

ﬂooSep 10, 20192 votes

If anything take the gold reward away. Why sacrifice turret tankiness if that was the first problem everyone complained about. The idea is good but implimentation as always crap.

Sky CardisSep 10, 20192 votes

I would just say heavily nerf gold gained or remove the gold completely.

TyRamosSep 10, 20191 votes

I agree. I hate how snowbally turret plates are. "Oh we went a tank and a vayne biplane and they went Lucian Karma? Well rip 3 or 4 plates simply due to poke"

Polaris ISep 10, 20191 votes

They should give the bot lane the defensive bonus that top and mid have where before six minutes the turrets take half damage

Trist mid opopSep 10, 20191 votes

Or they could give botlane towers the pre5-min resistances that all other towers have. They implemented this a few seasons ago so botlane wouldnt go toplane and players would trade towers early

HazeVictorySep 10, 20191 votes

Welcome to another episode of "bot laners a year late in discovering what top laners did a year ago".