...r#ped my whole team. (and no, "just cc her" doesn't work)
I thank thy Rito for marvelous balance.
#BUT PLS NERF KOGMAW/KARTHUS/SWAIN/VIKTOR FASTER CAUSE THEY ARE SO OP!!111111ONE (kog is kinda OP.. If you manage to get Runaan & Rageblade)
KhaZix Bot2 votesFiora is broken but let's not let Kog get away with being game breaking because of it. They're both unfair garbage and both deserve to be knocked down to manageable levels. As for the others, I'll never be okay with Swain. I don't think he brings anything of value to this game. He's lazy, boring, and frustrating to play against. His kit has no interesting reactions (Zhonya's in ult is not an interesting reaction), and the game would be better off with less champions like him. That being said, he isn't "broken". Last I checked, Viktor was pretty good, but I haven't heard anyone complain about him. Same goes for Karthus, but as a Kha'Zix player almost exclusively, sometimes I never realize that a champion I easily counter is unbalanced. That might be the case with Karthus, so I can't comment as far as that goes.
On the subject of Fiora, she's in the same spot Yi and Xin Zhao are. The main difference is that Fiora and Yi can outplay, while Xin is mostly linear. Fiora is more versatile than Yi, which puts her a little bit higher up there when you get to the higher tiers of play. Now, why is it that these champions are suddenly a plague? Let's see what they all have in common. They're all auto-attack heavy champions with effective health boosts (in the form of heals, and for Yi, damage reduction) for one. That's pretty lame, but that alone shouldn't make them as broken as they are. So what else do they have in common? Take a look at the last few games you had a Fiora, Yi, or Xin in. Odds are, if they game went long enough, they have Dead Man's Plate and Sterak's Gage. Oddly enough, our old friend Kog'Maw, game breaking master, is also building Sterak's Gage, but we'll get back to that later.
So, what's up with these two items? Why are all of these champions building the same garbage every game with little to know diversion from their core path, even though they aren't that similar? If you guessed that these items are way too good, congratulations, you figured it out. Now, at the risk of a bunch of angry tank mains tearing me apart over it, I'm going to say Dead Man's is overpowered. It's commonly regarded as straight up superior to Sunfire Cape (no, that doesn't mean Sunfire needs a buff), and gives some stats that, to be totally honest, tank should have limited access to. However, as obnoxious as tanks can be with Dead Man's, it gets worse. Dead Man's, in combination with Sterak's, give auto-attack fighters access to multiple artificial damage boosters while giving high tier survivability. Master Yi and Fiora were not meant to be offtank Gods that could three hit other champions while taking do damage in return.
Back to trade offs. Champions like Malphite are toxic because they're borderline unkillable and do not suffer any real damage penalties in return. If Malphite rushes a 100% defensive item, h should be tickling for damage, end of story. So why Malphite? Because no champion should directly gain damage output for building defenses. None. It's just not okay. What I find confusing is that Riven got nerfed because she was able to build damage and gain effective health because of it. Okay, that's fine, I agree. But why on Earth is that okay for Diana? It isn't. On the inverse, why can Malphite gain damage for building tank items? It's silly. Now the problem isn't just Malphite. With this Juggernaut nonsense we were introduced to these ridiculous items that reward a player with damage... for building survivability. See what I'm saying? If Fiora wasn't a monster tank, she wouldn't be nearly as broken. Fiora should not be building tank. It wasn't intended and I don't care who has fun playing it, it hurts the game. The same goes for Kog'Maw. The only reason he's still going strong is because he saw so little play before this, and they're worried about overnerfing him too quickly. I understand that, every champion should be viable. But let's be real. It's better that a champion is garbage than gamebreaking. Yes, even if they're your main. When an ADC is building a juggernaut item, you need to take a step back and say "Alright, this isn't okay."
Riven was one thing, but let's talk about something I know a little more about, personally. Kha'Zix had his ultimate damage reduction removed. Why? Because people started building tank on him. Flat health (like Warmog's) is amazing with flat damage reduction. This situation is a little different, but the idea is the same. Kha'Zix wasn't supposed to be a tank and still deal damage. Riven wasn't supposed to be a tank and still deal damage. They were nerfed. Fiora wasn't supposed to be a tank and still do damage. Yi wasn't supposed to be a tank and still do damage. They're being let off the hook... for now.
Yeah, they're going to get nerfed, but not until after they're banned in literally every game so no one gets to play them anymore. Then people will stop defending them and start begging for their champions to be nerfed so they can actually play them again. In the mean time, we shouldn't really have to deal with free losses just because they somehow slipped through ban phase.
Long story short, any champion that can build tank and still do serious damage is broken. Dead Man's and Sterak's are toxic together (and sometimes alone).
Saianna1 votesI think you missed my sarcasm mate
this part:
BUT PLS NERF KOGMAW/KARTHUS/SWAIN/VIKTOR FASTER CAUSE THEY ARE SO OP!!111111ONE
Was just to show Balance teams priorities. Swain/Karthus/Viktor got their nerfs OUT OF KARDASHIANS ASS. Their winrates were balanced at best, no nerfs needed.
Kog was obvious to receive nerfs (but on next patch? That fast?)
And Fiora? Sweet true damage, no counterplay child of Riot. Aka postergirl? She has some "don't balance me yet" card.
What the fk?! That's one of reasons why I'm frustrated.
KhaZix Bot1 votesNo, I didn't miss it. I was just stating my opinions on them. Starting with Kog, because he is broken, then going on to say the rest weren't, so I'm not sure why people are asking for them to be nerfed. You know, those people you're mocking?
But yeah, in an ideal world, they'd instantly gut any champion who rises above average play rate across all levels of play.
warpenguin5552 votesFk that cancer champ
Weiner the Pooh1 votesShe's getting needed at the same time as them...
Saianna1 votesI'm afraid I don't understand, please elaborate :)
Weiner the Pooh1 votesI'm afraid I don't understand, please elaborate :)
You said " BUT PLS NERF KOGMAW/KARTHUS/SWAIN/VIKTOR FASTER CAUSE THEY ARE SO OP!!1" to which I informed you that Fiora is receiving netfs at the same time as kog/viktor
FreshAsFebreze1 votesNeed to check your comment, you stated "needed" instead of nerfed which drew the confusion
Weiner the Pooh1 votesNeed to check your comment, you stated "needed" instead of nerfed which drew the confusion
Ugh, my bad, I'm on mobile and it got switched, thanks auto correct
FreshAsFebreze1 votesAuto Correct OP, I feels
Saianna1 votesAs Fresh said.. Ye now i get it, thanks ;)
Paladin 0f Life1 votesGot raped by a swain which was kinda weird
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes...r#ped my whole team. (and no, "just cc her" doesn't work)
I thank thy Rito for marvelous balance.
#BUT PLS NERF KOGMAW/KARTHUS/SWAIN/VIKTOR FASTER CAUSE THEY ARE SO OP!!111111ONE (kog is kinda OP.. If you manage to get Runaan & Rageblade)
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DropFill1 votesSorry, but fiora can't shred your whole team. At least not tank. She will be very hard to kill though assuming she can proc vitals, but kill your whole team? Seems like you guys tried to focus her and died to her team. Even though the nerfs riot are giving to her will not change tank fiora at all , since they are not touching her base/scaling damage. Her nerfs are in the wrong direction. She needs base nerfs and buffs to her scaling in order to be weaker early game while being a strong hyper carry duelist late game. And with this nerfs make tank fiora obsolete.
Saianna1 votesShe did get Penta, but we know that all you have to do is just last hit to kill and get penta.
Reason why I hate tank Fiora (or tank Yi/Irelia) is because you need to distribute SHITTON of resources to deal with her totally neglecting rest of their team.
She has built in damage and the only thing she lacks is survivability, which is fixed while building a tank. Then she can dive you under nexus turrets, get a kill and escape with more than half of her HP.
Second thing is: have you ever seen how fast Fiora can proc hydra? She has attack animation cancel built in in her Q. She can proc you 4 or even 5 times before you notice anything.
Third is mobility. She needs mobility to stick to target. But does she also need to slow you? How are you supposed to run away if you are immobile? Do you have even slighest idea how hard it is to attack Fiora as ADC? Or attack her with skillshots? I guess no..
And as a bonus:
Tank xin lost against tank fiora. If that's not enough of "how heavy bullshit fiora is" then nothing will change your mind.