I really wish ARAM would get at least 0,5% of attention SR…

Saianna · 2016-03-16T02:13:17.006Z

EDIT: Hooooly! Went to cinema & bear with friends for 4~hours, and now I have 43 posts from you guys! Gonna read them all! Our whole attention we get from Riot lasts about 1 week every year when winter sales come. And even then they ignore us, as playerbase. I understand: SR, LCS, Ranked, Lee and Zed are all very important for the future of #1 MOBA game. I'm not trying to destroy this sacred balance. Right now NA players received their Hextech crafting. I was hyped, I really though Riot is slowly giving some skins for "free". And as I was learning what this cool system is, I stumbled on "ARAM games don't count".. Needles to say all of my hype evaporated. I have 3,1k games in ARAM (almost prefect 50/50 split wins-loses). I play only ARAM. I even ARAM while I ARAM. Why ARAM can't have it's own "champion mastery"? Why ARAM can't have it's own "hextech crafting"? Why ARAM doesn't even have Rioter? (Even Dominion had 1... I think..) Why no Rioter wants to talk about ARAM? Is this "too childish" to talk about? I understand that ARAM should be a "fun mode", but it's hard to have fun when you feel like "unwanted child". "**Out of the blue**" I wonder.. Whenever Morello says about changes or things in general he says: "We believe that..." "We did that..." Who are those "We"? Can we talk with them? Are their voices in changes as important as Meddlers? Do they always agree with changes? Do they work with Riot in Riot HQ? Or are they some 3rd party group hired by Riot to help with balance? (outsorcing). What happen to Phreak? Guinsoo? They used to talk with us so often.. Back to topic: Could Riot delegate one Rioter to take charge of ARAM? So we, ARAM players, could have our own place to talk about with someone about stuff like map balance, randomness, bugs, items from other modes, maybe some small updates? Ofcourse that person would need to be active :)

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbMar 16, 20164 votes

Hey, quick question. I've noticed lately that arams seem to take longer than SR now. Is this just me, or is there data to back that up?

ZielmannMar 16, 20166 votes

Good to hear that mastery in ARAM isn't actually off the table. Last thing I heard made it sound like it had been discussed and passed up on.

KüramaMar 16, 20164 votes

You could have given Dominion attention as well and you would have seen it's popularity grow like never before. Your theory of Dominion being a failure with or without a fraction of attention is just that, a theory.

SociopathFriendMar 16, 20163 votes

They gave Dominion plenty of attention- did you see a Cinematic for ARAM's launch?

OurLestradeMar 16, 20166 votes

Wasn't the Dominion cinematic never officially released or something? Remember reading that somewhere.

SaiannaMar 16, 20168 votes

I THANK YOU for visiting this thread, Rioter Latency!

As a mostly ARAM player, I'm personally looking forward to having Champ Mastery in ARAM

Does that mean, that you, as Rioter promise that ARAM will receive champion mastery in some future? [keyword: promise]

And does that mean ARAM will share the same champion mastery as SR? Reason why I am asking is lots of people disagree on ARAM having anything in common with "mastering" a champion. So.. We could always have out own kind of "ARAM champion mastery", which would work for everyone.

You're right, we could do a better job at owning non-SR experiences. The goals of SR and non-SR modes are inherently different though, so there won't always be a one-to-one Rioter crossover. EG: there isn't a whole balance team dedicated to just ARAM.

Being right doesn't always feels good :( I'd never agree on delegating anyone from Riot to work on balance of ARAM. New summoner spells? Sure I'd love it (thanks for snowball btw my thirds most used spell after flash & barrier), maybe some minor tweaks to map balance (turrets/health relics), but nothing beyond that.

I'd be happy to have someone from "Featured Game modes" slightly (alot more) active :)

I'll let myself be seriously nitpicking and annoying here, so I'm sorry:

In the link about ARAM RNG you have provided on 08-20-2014, you have said those words:

Remember though, as pointed out previously in this thread and others, asymmetry in people's champion pools (whether intentionally manufactured or naturally occurring through varied champion pricing) will probably cause certain champs to come up statistically more often than others. This is what we're hoping to address by exploring the idea of unlocking all champions for ARAM.

19 months have passed and.. Is it finally good time to talk about unlocking all champions? I feel bad about ARAM accounts now, as much as on first day of Murders Bridge

EDIT: Danngit, tried to keep it simple & short.. Sorry. Btw where could we send ideas for modes/items/spells related to modes (like snowball for aram), cause I don't wanna boast, but I believe there's a good spell for ARAM worth checking out which could solve "poke being pokey'".

RiotL4T3NCYMar 17, 201612 votes

I can't use the word "promise", as anything can happen in game dev. :/ I personally think it would be cool though, and there's a positive vibe around it along with Rotating game modes and Twisted Treeline. Our particular team is just focused on the Rotating game modes right now.

I still like the idea of unlocking all champs in ARAM (I think it would kill ARAM accounts in one swift stroke). We ended up not pursuing much deeper after that time 2 years ago, but we may be able to revisit it at some point.

If you have any ideas for modes/spells/items/etc the boards are the best place for them! :D Rather than some secret inbox for stuff like that, they should live out in the open where everyone can contribute and give feedback. Many Rioters are reading a lot of the boards content too, even if they don't personally jump in.

TendrianMar 17, 20168 votes

Just a general question about ARAM: What is Riot thinking about the state of Mark/Dash? Specifically, is there a possibility for it to be removed in the future, or at least an ARAM queue where it isn't availlable?

I used to be an ARAM only guy with a few thousand games, but stopped playing when Mark/Dash was introduced. It would be really cool to know if it's worth keeping my hopes up or if Riot thinks it's fine the way it is and I should just move on.

the Anarchit3chtMar 17, 201614 votes

They won't be removing it. It makes a number of champions who were otherwise useless in ARAM now effective. But I have a feeling you're one of those people who liked to poke from range and are upset now because that Renekton or Swain can actually get to you instead of struggling to get close while you and your Morg/Lux/Karma/Ashe/Ezreal team kited them into oblivion. I don't know for certain, but the only people who actually have an issue with Mark/Dash are those people.

There won't be two seperate Queues because it'll split the player base up too much and significantly impact queue times.

RiotL4T3NCYMar 17, 201615 votes

The current Mark/Dash feels like it's in a pretty good place. ARAM's queue health has actually increased since it was introduced. Previously lame-duck champions are now viable picks (which also means lower dodge rates) that you can have a blast on, and it's far from the "100% must pick spell" that first launched.

I am all about Udyr on ARAM now. :D

majulitoMar 17, 20164 votes

I always felt that once the first tower goes down champs that struggled early start to shine because now they have more running room. Has the map opened up they begin to shine because it becomes hard to outplay someone running at you when you move slower and you have one direction to go.

I was never a fan of snowball but I take it because it just makes things harder for the enemy. Champs that already were able to close the gap and engage have only become stronger because they use their gap closer or snowball first then use the other if you try to escape . It also is a pain when someone gets hits and walks to the center of your team (or panic flashes) so the enemy can wreck whole team through no fault of your own.

There also the problem of visibility of a white ball on a white map with white particles flying across it along with all the other stuff flying on it that make the ball hard to dodge. That and the range is pretty long I think there should be some risk to at least throw the thing instead of it being chucked from a screen away and then you fly all the way over while being invulnerable along the way.

SaiannaMar 17, 20164 votes

Thanks for reply :)

I have to say I am very.. dissapointed about this part:

I still like the idea of unlocking all champs in ARAM (I think it would kill ARAM accounts in one swift stroke). We ended up not pursuing much deeper after that time 2 years ago, but we may be able to revisit it at some point.

If you, as Head-Rioter responsible for fatured game modes (Right?) like an idea, which was proposed hundreds of times over and over... Then what stops you from implementing it? There has to be some deeper reason for this. I remember when ARAM was introduced, not even 1 hour passed and there was a thread about this..

Well.. What can I say... I'd love to see unlocked all champions for ARAM. So once this new rotating mode will be finished and you guys will get some "free time for other stuff" to work on, Please revisit ARAM, we, ARAM players will be very happy :)

EDIT: Just before I started to write this, I finished an ARAM game. I've left overview window open. Now when I look at champions & wins (and nicks) I had at least 5 aram accounts in this game. I'm sad.. Very sad..

Jesus is SaviorMar 17, 20165 votes

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I still like the idea of unlocking all champs in ARAM (I think it would kill ARAM accounts in one swift stroke). We ended up not pursuing much deeper after that time 2 years ago, but we may be able to revisit it at some point.

Can you please look into this and do it? I haven't played ARAM in almost 2 years because of ARAM-only accounts. It would be nice to actually be able to play the mode again.

Irelia BotMar 17, 201610 votes

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I still like the idea of unlocking all champs in ARAM (I think it would kill ARAM accounts in one swift stroke).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

MinardeMar 17, 20163 votes

RE Dedicated Rioter for ARAM: You're right, we could do a better job at owning non-SR experiences. The goals of SR and non-SR modes are inherently different though, so there won't always be a one-to-one Rioter crossover. EG: there isn't a whole balance team dedicated to just ARAM.

Is there a balance team for "non-SR modes in general" though? ManWolfAxeBoss used to head up the Alternate Maps team (managing TT/Dom/ARAM health and balance), but he's now occupied with work on SR balance. Have Alternate Maps been folded into the Featured Modes umbrella, does a separate Alternate Maps team still exist, or has Riot simply dropped all of it entirely?

I'm asking because there's at least two significant issues that haven't been addressed in months.

TT still doesn't have BF Sword enabled. NLR was re-enabled with the Mage itemization update that reduced the price of the item, but that didn't happen with BFS and the Marksman itemization update. Essence Reaver in particular has no counterpart on Treeline.
ARAM still has no AP vision item. Twin Shadows, Lightbringer, and Hextech Sweeper used to be the trinity of vision item for magic, physical, and tank preferences, respectively. The removal of Twin Shadows left a gap in trap detection options.

RiotMANWOLFAXEBOSSMar 17, 20167 votes

Hey man,

Thanks for the write-up. I still do some alternate map stuff and am hoping to do an ARAM pass in the next couple months :) But ya, mostly focused on SR now.

What are your hopes with bringing BF Sword to TT? We could do that, but since it's just a component item I can't help but assume it's really the full items you're after. You mention Essence Reaver specifically. Any other item gaps that you feel SR has and TT doesn't? For ER, we chose not to include this item because of the MP5 aura on the map. We felt like it was superfluous and ended up just being a trap. Do you think AD, mana-dependent casters (Ez, Lucian, etc.) are in need of this?
Should address this in the ARAM pass :)

Solidair3Mar 17, 20168 votes

Essence Reaver's primary purpose USED to be mana restore, yes, but now it also comes with a hefty 30% cdr (when bought with crit, obv) which is essential to some marksman this season. Champions like Sivir were specifically tuned to function more appropriately with CDR this season, but she can't utilize the core item to make this a reality for her.

My Waifu VanillaMar 17, 20162 votes

It is really the fact that AD itemization kind of sucks unless you are an AD caster. Sanguine Blade is worse than BT in almost every way (especially now that BT has a shield). Dervish Blade is now much worse than Mercurial since Mercurial now gives even more stats (and actual AD). Van Damms is OKAY, but would be nice to probably also have IE in the game just in case and just make their passives unique from each other (like RFC and Shiv do). Duskblade would honestly also be a fairly nice item to see on the map since it is typically full of health stacking bruisers who would either like to use the item (J4 and such) or would be fairly weak to it since their armor values are fairly low and would help deal with their health stacking (since BoRK is in a bad spot and not many BoRK users are very strong since they are almost all ADCs and do not have good items to work with).

As stated ER is now MUCH better than it used to be and makes a lot of champions much stronger than they would be without it (and have been balanced around the item as well as seen with Lucian and crew).

Also, the MAIN reason (iirc) B.F. and items built from it (along with NLR) was because B.F. cost 1550+ when TT was reworked and was counter intuitive to save that much money on that map. B.F. has since then been reduced and price and nothing happened, but the second NLR went down in price it and all of its items were instantly put onto TT which seems fairly unfair.

TL;DR TT itemization could use some help and adding B.F. could help a bit since right now it is you are a mage or bruiser/tank and there are no carries really to play since you are stuck with hardly any items to support any sort of crit build (Van Damms only one that gives AD iirc so you will have high crit but no AD so what is the point). This could lead to unnecessarily long games since you cannot seige well without many ranged options (let alone mainly mages) and sometimes causes my team when winning to just run around the map endlessly while we wait for Vile to respawn since diving is too risky for what it is worth (especially 2.5 AS Nexus Turret that takes double inhibs to take down without a clean ace).

MinardeMar 17, 20163 votes

Sanguine vs BT is actually kind of complex. Sanguine offers a much earlier power-spike, since the stacks make it incredibly cost-efficient. It's 1300 gold cheaper in exchange for 5% lifesteal and the shield. With that much gold, you could even buy a Giant's Belt, which always offers more health than BT's shield, and still have leftover gold. Sanguine certainly loses to BT in late-game slot-efficiency, but that's not the niche it's meant to fill.

Also, if the enemy team is relying on magic-damage waveclear, Banner of Command is a strong option. Doubly so if you combine it with Vilemaw buff.

My Waifu VanillaMar 17, 20163 votes

Idk I'm just turned off more from TT compared to last season. Last season it felt slightly more diverse, but when it is Trundle or Fiora wrecking any melee you have all game or any mage picking up FQC and it being ALMOST GLOBAL makes it very hard to enjoy anything you want to do.

Also, as I said before tanks can run wild on that map because it is SUPER suboptimal to run an ADC since crit itemization blows, and only Ezreal, Corki, Graves, and Quinn can do well without that much crit (Quinn isn't that good however due to how small the map is making her ult less useful).

SKOBODOMar 17, 20162 votes

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What are your hopes with bringing BF Sword to TT? We could do that, but since it's just a component item I can't help but assume it's really the full items you're after. You mention Essence Reaver specifically. Any other item gaps that you feel SR has and TT doesn't? For ER, we chose not to include this item because of the MP5 aura on the map. We felt like it was superfluous and ended up just being a trap. Do you think AD, mana-dependent casters (Ez, Lucian, etc.) are in need of this?

I'm inclined to say "no", at least for the time being. ADCs in TT are incredibly strong right now, and I'm not even sure Ezreal would get Essence Reaver over Iceborn Gauntlet. As for Lucian, he doesn't need buffs right now.

Should the meta shift and ADCs fall out of favor, then giving them some new toys might be a good idea. Right now, ADCs are really common in Challenger 3v3 on EUW, at least.

As for other items, I looked at the list of items not on TT and I don't think there's any pressing need to add anything right now. Thornmail might be nice in order to deal with fed ADCs, though it might be too strong on a 3v3 map, I suppose.

So: ADCs are strong enough in this meta, introducing Essence Reaver might be an indirect buff to some ADCs, which might push the ADC meta even harder.

I really wish ARAM would get at least 0,5% of attention SR gets

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I'd be happy to have someone from "Featured Game modes" slightly (alot more) active :)

Also if you think you could use ARAM to farm S ranks, then I honestly don't know if you are troll or just very, very stupid.

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