"We don't want stealth champions to be countered by a ward"

~ 51-53% win rate with a good play rate for a shit ton of patches now, full ap is both his highest play% and highest win% build...?

Teemo was arguably at his strongest before preseason hit. He's kind of in a similar camp to Kayle in a way, he has a lot of damage from his Auto's. It's abuse having both good ratios and a ton of alternative strengths.

Mallet / Runaan's was extremely strong at the end of the season because it gave sticking power + synergized with fervor of battle. It also happened to work well with stuff like Rageblade / Wit's end / and Gunblade. It also had the option of going GA / ZZ'rot for a lot of split push pressure. I'm not really sure why you would say he's trash for wanting to build this way, it just provides so much power.

Now that it's preseason, we can likely expect to see thunderlords and his pen builds come back, but i'm not sure if it can compete with the versatility and utility of the above build. His shrooms are mostly considered zone control right now so it's not really added to the burst because people go through and sweep for them.

I think we could give it some more time, and see how the fervor changes in a patch or two affect him.

Oh boy diamond is full of teemo OTPs. He is frickin strong if played right. And once you faced a chinese challenger teemo tank jungle you wish to play against 5 yasuos at once.

1. How does that matter?

2. Yeah lets just build mr first-second item as carry for the top laner.

3. They get in your face and probably die after. And even if not, they still have to get in your face and have actual counterplay unlike Teemo shrooms.

4. Implying shrooms are 100% of his power and he cant beat most top laners without hitting 1 shroom.

Yes, champions have different scalings; some champions become just basically bad at certain points in the game. That doesn't mean there is inherently a problem and they should be buffed because of it.

The trick to beating "ungankable monster" is........ .... Changing lane to push. So HE has to drag his furry ass and start placing mushrooms again.

Second thing, we speak of 45% CDR, right? I bet you know how difficult it is to get CDR and AP. If you focus CDR early, then your mushrooms are weak as hell If you focus AP then you can forget about sweet 11s per mushroom

If you have 45% CDR means you haven't taken DFT, which is kinda best option for you. Ofc you have TLD, which isn't all that worse.

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Well if they gave a cap on them, they could justify making them harder to avoid.

His shrooms do have caps.

######I'm so sorry

Honestly it is usually hard to have 10 out at once unless you are purposely putting them in stupid locations (or loading up your base, which depending on how game is going and how teams are can be a legitimate strategy to stall out game). Champions (or minions) will always end up hitting some, some will get cleared, and you don't always have shrooms available for use at the right time and place.

Not the OP, but really am appreciating to see some recent topics about Teemo without the whole thread going up in flames due to Teemo's status as the joke character. :(

Regardless, it's a tough matter about Teemo shrooms indeed. Teemo really doesn't need buffs - it's just that his kit has pretty much become less and less reliable and consistent over the years with the control wards now outright disabling his shrooms when placed on the ground. I feel that at this point, Teemo's power should shift over with less damage applied on his shrooms as it's clear that the high damaging shrooms still remain a big issue in the game; yet, Riot wants to preserve Teemo's kit due to how iconic they see it to be.

Perhaps a trick where he can bounce off his mushrooms which would set them off; yet, at the cost of losing his vision for his own mobility. Shrooms could even deal less damage if such a chance was to be implemented, but right now - I think Teemo needs to identify himself better as a scout character.