So what's the reason of Annie's Q being point and click

Curling Veigar·Apr 15, 2015·3 votes·575 views

I fail to see a reason for it NOT being a skillshot.

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thinking manApr 15, 20154 votes

honestly just learn the counterplay and capitalize on her for the 3 seconds her stun isn't up

Curling VeigarApr 15, 20151 votes

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honestly just learn the counterplay and capitalize on her for the 3 seconds her stun isn't up

she also does 700 ap veigar level burst damage with only 350 ap... like why are her scalings so high for the utility she brings for such a low cost/low skill champ

Sailor MintApr 15, 20151 votes

Annie has some of the lowest base damage numbers for a mage.

700AP Veigar QW is 260 + 320 (+1.6AP) = 580 +1120 = 1700 350AP Annie QW is 220+ 250 (+1.65) = 470 + 578 = 1048 Annie would need 745AP to match a 700AP Veigar's QW damage.

700AP Veigar QWR is 260 + 320 + 500 (+2.6AP) = 1080 + 1820 = 2900 350AP Annie QWR is 220+ 250+ 425 +80 (+2.65) = 975 +928 = 1903 (+130 damage from Tibbers AA) Annie would need 726AP (677AP if Tibbers AA) to match a 700AP Veigar's QWR damage or Her opponent would need to be getting auto-attacked by Tibbers for at least 6 seconds (151DPS from AA + Aura).

Note: I'm assuming a 2 seconds of Tibbers Aura (stun duration), that's 80 base damage and 0.4AP ratio.

Math is fun.

aaronautumnApr 15, 20151 votes

cuz thats the way old champions were made

Curling VeigarApr 15, 20151 votes

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cuz thats the way old champions were made

like the ryze rework said, things have to change

a low cooldown point and click nuke isn't what you'd call healthy

aaronautumnApr 15, 20151 votes

you asked why she has one, not why they haven't changed it yet

IcyPepperApr 15, 20151 votes

Range, most likely.

Curling VeigarApr 15, 20151 votes

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Range, most likely.

625 auto attack range

Sailor MintApr 15, 20152 votes

Lowest attack speed in the game and and equally long wind up animation.

It's possible to auto-attack her and walk out of range before her AA resolves. Easier to abuse bot lane.

Curling VeigarApr 15, 20151 votes

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Lowest attack speed in the game and and equally long wind up animation.

It's possible to auto-attack her and walk out of range before her AA resolves. Easier to abuse bot lane.

You abuse low windup like that while harassing someone under their own tower easily.

Throw auto attack, and since it's so slow you could walk out of tower range before it hits.

Sailor MintApr 15, 20151 votes

You confuse wind-up and missile speed.

IcyPepperApr 15, 20151 votes

Ahri's Q has a range of 880, moves through minions and hits multiple targets, and deals true damage. Her E has 975 range. Her ult has a range of 450*3 casts making a total of 1350 distance she moves, each projectile with a range of 600.

Zed's Q has a range of 900, his W has a range of 550 but can mimic abilities and be swapped with him (doubling as potential damage as well as mobility), and his ult has a range of 625 but makes him untargetable for a short duration.

My point is that range is factored into a spell's strength. Her spell is rather short-range compared to a mages, and even Zed out-ranges her with his own Q. She gets point-and-click at the cost of single target and short range.