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Dynamic Queue is toxic for solo players.

Nausicäa ··109 votes·3,832 views

Im not even referring to the gang up verbal abuse that frequently happens to solo queuing players. Im talking about the unfun toxic gameplay experience that solo players suffer at the hands of premades.

Most premades seem to have a superiority complex that excludes solo players from the team game. They see the solo player as some 'trash' outsider that its their burden to carry. This leads to an extremely negative experience for solo players and creates a feeling that they are constantly at odds with their own team.

Examples of this include:

  • Premade junglers refusing to gank for solo players and only helping their teammates. Ive literally experienced games in which a premade jungler will sit in bush for minutes at a time in his permanently pushed premades lane doing nothing while ignoring the solo player that is getting camped/needs help.
  • Premade junglers refusing to give buffs to laners, even when its something like a manaless jungler refusing to give blue all game, because of course the trash solo player doesn't deserve it.
  • Refusing to communicate at all in chat or even pings as they are often in voice chat.
  • The group mentality of a premade making decisions/calls for the team and refusing to compromise even when their decisions are utterly terrible and cost you the game. Ofcourse there is no reasoning with them here either.
  • Ive had premades supports just leave botlane and sit in bushes for top for 5+ minutes camping for their friends. Meanwhile i have to 1v2 bot lane for 10 minutes and of course im trash for having low CS afterwards.
  • ive had premades that all speak chinese to each other all throughout the game and refuse to communicate in english on the NA server. No doubt also insulting the solos the whole time.
  • Ive been harassed and insulted in champ select for refusing to give up my role to a premade.

There is just a general attitude of help you friends, fuck the solo, leave them to rot then blame them when you lose. I really dont see how solo players are supposed to have fun in this environment.

'Playing with friends is more fun' according to Riot, too bad to promote that they had to make playing by yourself much less fun.

55 Comments

Fovere5 votes

It won't be anytime soon.

Riot has decided that they want to appeal to "social" younger/casual players, so that is where the game is going.

Competitive/solo players can basically gtfo

franticFurball6 votes

Competitive/solo players can basically gtfo

And that's exactly what I did ^^ 3 more days until the Overwatch launch :D

horriblegameboya5 votes

Yessssss. I'm getting rid of all of my LoL accounts and moving to Overwatch. RIOT is too garbage. Their automated restriction/ban system is broken af and their emails are insulting. "After an extensive audit" which means "You got too many reports, pew pew". Carebear community is sickening.

franticFurball1 votes

That system is one thing I certainly will not miss :D

Obungo 1 votes

Honestly cant wait until kids like you walk into Overwatch ranked and realize you can't win unless your playing a premade 6 (Yes, overwatch will have "DQ" type of ranked) I was in your boat, "Can't wait to leave this shit game, fuck league, overwatch is the fkin place," but now its beginning to feel more and more like league in the way that they fuck solo players in ranked. At least the game is fun normally, for a bit. Its going to be just like league, ranked will be hell for us solo players, but normals will be fine. I'm starting to question why I burnt 40$ on a damn FPS shooter game...fucking hell man.......

Blizzard forums are going to be worse than this. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

ARequestOfDeath1 votes

yeah blizzard is worse. one name.

nostalrius.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Idk, but for me OVerwatch got boring after a weekend of (Hardcore) playing(Not the Open beta week)

More characters will definitely help with that, but it might soon become the next LoL. There's going to be OP meta champs and ones that are like Swain (Mei pls). A lot more toxicity during the open beta week too, with all the LoL players migrating over..

Fenikkusu11 votes

WHOOOT!

Karn Bishop1 votes

Nods, i was playing overwatch and almost had a heart attack as someone greeted me good morning in the chat, vs the silence i get now in league.

Saianna1 votes

ACTUALLY...

This is hurting casual solo players just as much as competitive players.

You get literally ANNIHILATED every game. It is beyond unfn.. And i am RIGHT NOW having tears of pain in my eyes after losing next UNFUN game in URF, where i simply CAN'T win.

LaserDeathBlade4 votes

Yeah not to mention the other team is going to camp the living hell out of any solo queue laner, pouring gas on the fire.

Xeruon4 votes

Overwatch

May 24th, 2016

OH MAN NOT GOOD3 votes

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franticFurball4 votes

Who do you think is required in order for a 4 man group to get matched into a team of 5?

High53 votes

Helping players become better would solve the problem. Riot has been far too afraid to teach the game they created for fear of affecting the meta.

If the game at least had a floor, it would be a vast improvement upon the current state. Allowing people to reach level 30 and not understand vision control/denial, neutral map objectives or why the meta exists is Riot's fault.

Toxicity is caused by some players caring and having to play with others that don't even understand the basics of the game.

I immediately stop caring in games where the support either doesn't buy a sighstone or does buy one and then continues to carry around a yellow trinket. These things should be automatic for level 30 players. It's not a problem of not understanding 120+ champs. It's a problem of not understanding the basic game where 4 other people are reliant upon you to at least do the basics.

Atrak72 votes

Im glad when I get jungle with a premade then you somewhat have power getting toplane is the worst even mid. Ive had players play azir and easy gankable shit with 0 wards while 4 man just focus's their buddys that are getting shit on. D que is hilarious too bad we cant take competitive seriously though esp with these que timers.

Nausicäa 2 votes

{quoted}

Im glad when I get jungle with a premade then you somewhat have power getting toplane is the worst even mid. Ive had players play azir and easy gankable shit with 0 wards while 4 man just focus's their buddys that are getting shit on. D que is hilarious too bad we cant take competitive seriously though esp with these que timers.

Ya, too bad the premade blames you for the loss even when you do extremely well as a jungler, because its your fault they are 0-7.

Frosty Lab2 votes

I immediately turn off all chat and /mute team when I play in solo queue. It's not worth it.

horriblegameboya2 votes

Talking is pointless in games. RIOT has made it to where you get banned for reports period. Talking just makes morons rage and report. I just got perma banned on one of my accounts for nothing. No bad language or harassment, etc. Hell... I didn't even get a warning. Second game I'd played on the account (played two today) in over a year, and instantly perma-banned.

Kensue1 votes

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Frosty Lab1 votes

Not all of us know that many people. And we shouldn't HAVE to. That's not the point of solo queue, now is it? If you have to have a team/multiple group members to get wins or even have a shot? You're probably in or around bronze.

franticFurball13 votes

What if I don't want to? Because I didn't have to for more than 3 years.

And I won't have to in the future either, because Overwatch :D

Obungo 4 votes

You do realize Overwatch, being an FPS shooter 6 man single objective game, will be based completely off of teamwork? Blizzard has already confirmed that you will be able to queue into ranked with a group of 6, so say goodbye to solo players, yet again.

Seems like your future isn't what you expected, eh? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Mr Zablinx5 votes

{quoted}

You do realize Overwatch, being an FPS shooter 6 man single objective game, will be based completely off of teamwork? Blizzard has already confirmed that you will be able to queue into ranked with a group of 6, so say goodbye to solo players, yet again.

Seems like your future isn't what you expected, eh? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

One difference however: you can communicate with the premades. The fact that overwatch has voice comms brings it to a whole other level. Also if you've ever played an fps like cs or the overwatch you would know matches are much more reliant on your own skill to contribute.

Obungo 1 votes

You cant compare overwatch to cs because in overwatch you dont get penalized for dying, you respawn in 5 seconds and on top of that, you can pick a different hero to counter their team. In addition to that, if you had a lot of personal skill on lets say tracer, it wouldn't make a difference because they would simply pick a hero to counter her. Your skill is essentially canceled out by the game itself, that is why the game depends literally 95% on team coherency and teamwork. And in response to your communicate to premades, you'll find that half the time people don't have mics or anything, since all the 9 year olds are moving to overwatch since they think its COD, but kid friendly lmfao.

Mr Zablinx3 votes

{quoted}

You cant compare overwatch to cs because in overwatch you dont get penalized for dying, you respawn in 5 seconds and on top of that, you can pick a different hero to counter their team. In addition to that, if you had a lot of personal skill on lets say tracer, it wouldn't make a difference because they would simply pick a hero to counter her. Your skill is essentially canceled out by the game itself, that is why the game depends literally 95% on team coherency and teamwork. And in response to your communicate to premades, you'll find that half the time people don't have mics or anything, since all the 9 year olds are moving to overwatch since they think its COD, but kid friendly lmfao.

From your comment alone it's clear you haven't played it or at the least very little. If someone can switch and counter your hero completely then that's not on the hero, that's your own bad personal skill. As for mics, people choice to use them is irrelevant. The option is available which is huge. And I don't know where your getting that the kids switching to it. That's just you making stuff up lol.

franticFurball11 votes

Seems like your future isn't what you expected, eh?

I played beta, so I am absolutely aware how OW plays out :D Nice try tho.

  • Overwatch has VoIP BUILT INTO THE GAME. To the point where its on BY DEFAULT. I press ^ I can talk to my team. Not chat, TALK to them.

  • A toxic / bad premade traps me in League for 45 minutes, matchmaking and loading included. An OW match takes 7 minutes, 10 as the absolute top, and that would only be a payload played out to full defense, with overtime after a 1min wait in the matchmaking

  • Blizzards matchmaking system puts an emphasis on balance. 6 player groups will face 6 player groups.

But the most important reason is this: Not being locked into a lane, not being dependent on actions of a certain role (hi premade jungler ignoring toplane because its not pre) allows me to do my thing even in a premade scenario and still be coordinated. The premade forces Hanamura main entrance point A -> I fly my D.VA ult right onto the point.

In short: I am nowhere near as dependent on my team doing well to do well myself

Lets compare the impact of consequences of other players as an example:

League: If the "awesome pre" botlane dies 7 times in 5 minutes, it doesn't matter how well I play toplane...even if I dominate and take turret, I will likely lose, because they have now an overfed Lucian, and I am probably on a champ that can't deal with Lucian.

OW: "awesome pre" trickled into a bastion killzone 2 times in a row --> I swap to pharah and blast that wannabe PotG out of the way.

Its not the presence of premades that makes many soloQ players hate dynQ. Its the dependency of the soloQ player on the premade, the elimination of my impact on the game by the actions of others that annoys me.

OW gives me ways around that.

Obungo 1 votes

{quoted}

Lets compare the impact of consequences of other players as an example:

League: If the "awesome pre" botlane dies 7 times in 5 minutes, it doesn't matter how well I play toplane...even if I dominate and take turret, I will likely lose, because they have now an overfed Lucian, and I am probably on a champ that can't deal with Lucian.

OW: "awesome pre" trickled into a bastion killzone 2 times in a row --> I swap to pharah and blast that wannabe PotG out of the way.

I honestly can't wait until you actually experience ranked Overwatch, from reading your post I can tell that a.) you're an intense fanboy that thinks overwatch is the light at the end of the tunnel and b.) you fail to note any flaws in the game because you simply think its amazing. I can already see people like you crying on the forums when they keep losing in ranked b/c of teams who dont cooperate.

It'll settle itself.

franticFurball2 votes

And from your post I can tell that you are not actually countering any of the facts that I just presented, and instead try to invalidate what I say by calling me a fanboy.

And that my friend, is one of the oldest rhetorical tricks in the book.

It didn't work on me back in the day at discussion club meetings, it doesn't work now either.

Obungo 1 votes

By facts, you mean your little trick of simply stating the "perfect" scenerios for Overwatch and saying its good. You failed to note any flaws in anything you said and then proceeded to trash league in every way you could in regards to Overwatch.

Fanboys lmao [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

franticFurball2 votes

By "facts" I mean: I provided factual statements, and you provided assumptions, some of which were about my person rather than the topic of discussion.

You failed to note any flaws in anything you said

By all means, feel free to point them out, that is, if you find any.

your little trick of simply stating the "perfect" scenerios for Overwatch

My statements have nothing to do with "scenarios, as they are universally applicable. The VoIP is always there. The gametime is comparatively short by design. There are no fixed roles, and FPS games will always allow for individual play.

How are these "scenarios", kindly explain ^^

Obungo 1 votes

Don't need to, just waiting until 80% of overwatch playerbase goes on blizzard forums to bitch about how they fucked over solo players and how the game isn't competitive. You cant argue with a fanboy, fact.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

franticFurball2 votes

Newsflash, we had that crowd already in the open beta. The CoD fanbois moved on, and good riddance.

As to not competitive...well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think you should have a look at some names that might ring a bell.

Team Liquid

Cloud 9

Also as to the acceptance by the scene in general: http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/rankings?page=1

And of course we should not forget that professionally shoutcasted tournaments already exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrWWapPUkeI

...despite the game still being in BETA.

So yeah, I think the verdict of the professional scene is pretty clear. And my argument stands undefeated.

Obungo 1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

franticFurball2 votes

Its always satisfying to win a discussion.

Farewell :D

Obungo 1 votes

If you call that a discussion, lmao - Fanboy posting irrelevant "facts" about a 6 man FPS game, posts a competitive scene game after I insulted the competitive scene. One team was hacking, and for a game that has been being advertised for a year, only 89k views, lmao. If I post a COD esports game with 1 mil views does that mean the competitive scene is good? Nope, not at all. A game with a price tag will never have a competitive scene even close to a game like League, its a joke you even try to compare the two.

Not even going to bother posting my side of the "discussion," you'll just waste another 30 minutes of your life reading articles and huffing n' puffin to pull shit out of your ass in order to "counter" it.

Bye buddy, have fun with Overwatch for the first few days -- Ill be watching when the rage starts :)

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

(inb4 20 paragraph essay on how im wrong and overwatch is the best game)

franticFurball2 votes

Not even going to bother posting my side of the "discussion," you'll just waste another 30 minutes of your life reading articles and huffing n' puffin to pull shit out of your ass in order to "counter" it.

You think writing such a few lines takes me 30 minutes? :D

I write scientific articles for a living my friend, what I do here on the boards doesn't even require me to sip from my coffee :D

Obungo 1 votes

I find extreme amusement looking at your profile. Considering that you "make a living writing scientific articles," it's amusing to see the amount of time you burn writing posts about over watch.

Hunting th forums for anti-league threads because you are salty so you can spam "play overwatch" or "2 words: over watch launch." Like lmao your life must be a joke if this his is the type of crap You do as an adult. Bitching on another game forum and spamming crap about over watch on league forums.....like if you hate this game just leave and go to blizzard forums where you belong.

Mr Zablinx1 votes

I can honestly hear, in the four man premades, the shit talk they are giving me ts/discord when I am literally the only one to type anything in chat all game

Envoy of Death1 votes

try playing soloQ as a jungler u will encounter multiple shitters getting sodomized 1v1 in lane blaming jungler and his premade blaming u too cuz obviously no matter how trash their 5 division lower friend is they will not accept that him dying lvl1 and then 3 times in row before 5 min is his fault, what a great time

Feel Apathy1 votes

I've had a couple of game losses when the premade of 4 decides to push for nexus when the enemy has 12 seconds on the respawn timer and then get utterly obliterated and losing the game withing the next 40 secs without even scratching the nexus turrets.

redfeenix1 votes

Well articulated, but Riot doesnt care . so why bother

UrSuperman1 votes

True, just got pair up with 4 premade and I eat 4 report, they keep blaming me for feeding when I'm 7/10 and they like 1/7. Rank is just not the same anymore, it is no different than normal at this state, no wonder most of my firmed who play solo q quit lol. item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

Feeling down every game because I keep getting bully by 14 yeahs and man-child.....

Report does nothing no tribunal no nothing, why Riot why...

KarmArcane1 votes

This has been happening to me like every other game. it is really frustrating. you get harassed by a group for 30 mins while they play poorly because they are distracted trying to blame you, then get reported by the whole premade at the end. i wonder if riot could do something where if they see groups of people getting reported together constantly then they cant q together for a certain amount of time? it must be hard for riot to allow friends to play together without empowering the shitty groups, but its getting hard to deal with.

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