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ADCs in solo lanes need to go

Śhunpo··12 votes·2,638 views

ADCs cry when mages, bruisers and assassins go bot, so I only see it as fair that ADCs going mid and top screw right off back down to bot lane.

Sure, it's "diversity", however, if bot laners don't enjoy diversity down in the bot lane I really don't see why we need to put up with ADCs in other lanes besides bot.

You guys had 0 fun when Ziggs bot was meta, and when Yasuo was a legitimate bot laner (who was also extremely good), so why should we have to put up with such unfun picks as Tristana mid+top, Vayne mid, Lucian mid, Sivir mid and Twitch jungle?

I should also mention that apparently when a class is too strong they can be played anywhere....lo and behold, AD carries/Marksman, who can be played in every single role. Miss Fortune and Ashe can be run as legitimate supports, Twitch and Quinn can jungle, Vayne, Tristana and Lucian can be sent top lane (and are currently BETTER than a lot of actual top laners), and Tristana+Lucian are currently being sent mid and doing well (extremely well in Tristana's case).

It's time for some fairness on the rift, and for once ADCs deserve to be adjusted to only be run bot lane, since the players seem to be so against other non-ADCs being sent into their sacred lane.

Note: Tristana mid is the worst abuse case, and literally every game I've played with it I've won and gone almost perfect with very little effort. Champ's dumb right now.

24 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon5 votes

ADCs complained about bruisers, assassins, and mages bot because that's the only lane basically all of the entire fucking class can go.

For every other class, I can think of at least two lanes a good number of them can go to. ADCs? They are pretty much only ever viable botlane. Even when they're oh-so-OP as declared by the boards, they're rarely even viable toplane.

The thigh guy4 votes

{quoted}

ADCs complained about bruisers, assassins, and mages bot because that's the only lane basically all of the entire fucking class can go.

For every other class, I can think of at least two lanes a good number of them can go to. ADCs? They are pretty much only ever viable botlane. Even when they're oh-so-OP as declared by the boards, they're rarely even viable toplane.

But but but. My toplane? :c

No for real tho. Adc is only allowed by riot to be played in botlane, with a very select few outliers. Yet mages can be played in 4 roles. Bruisers in 3. Tanks in 3 and assassins now in 3.

It’s no wonder adcs complain when another role takes the only place they are allowed to exist.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Hi, actual toplaner here. I don't give a shit if you come toplane. Just don't come toplane on my team.

It doesn't take much to deal with most ADCs toplane. Just have any ability to get on top of them at all, which can be anything from having a dash to having CC to just taking summoner 6. ADCs top isn't the problem. Gnar, Vlad, Kennen...They're problems toplane, but they're also not ADCs.

OtterlyLost1 votes

Yeah, you're like the first top laner in existence that I've seen say that. I literally hard an argument a few days ago with a Darius Main who asked for advice on how to deal with Tristana top and then wanted to try and say none of them worked. You literally said the same shit I told him. I think he was just bad.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Dealing with Tristana is easy tho. Wait for them to go full ape because they absolutely will. Just walk away and they'll jump towards you. Start walking back.

"What if they don't go full ape?" They will, every Trist does.

imortalone4 votes

go nasus top, you can slow and 1 hit most adcs with your q stacked up... Tahm or cho top can eat an adc in the wrong spot easy.. Olaf, yi, jax, garen, udyr can run adcs over. If you need range go gnar or idk nunu. easy i sometimes report a feeding adc who's going top.

The thigh guy4 votes

Adcs complain when something else is best in their role because that’s the ONLY role they are allowed in by riot. Any time an adc (with a few select exceptions) becomes good in another role, riot GUTS them. Examples Ezreal mid Ezreal jungle Lucien mid Vayne top Varus mid Kog mid

OtterlyLost2 votes

Just wait, they're going to gut Trist too for having a 46-47% WR mid or top. But its okay for mages and bruisers to run bot lane for half a season with limited nerfs to them...

And don't even get me started on how Riot has systematically nerfed every ranged top laner because top mains want to whine constantly.

OtterlyLost3 votes

Sure. ADCs in a solo lane can go. But that means no one can venture out of their predetermined lane. So that means, yes, get mage's out of the support role where they never belonged in the first place. Its not even like any mage has ever gotten nerfed for going bot. Its not like any champion ever has been nerfed for going bot. But man, ADCs have been nerfed everytime they venture out of their predetermined lane. For that matter, so have supports.

Its not diversity unless every class has freedom to go where ever. #GiveMeRealDiversity

Bonipherus3 votes

adc's are supposed to be weak early and then scale. so weak early that they need a support by their side to baby them in order to relieve their weak early game.

when we see adc's go into other solo positions and bully out other champions while also out-scaling said champions then something has to give if any semblance of balance is to be had.

adc's should not be able to just go top for a free lane because only the top echelon of bruisers have a chance to beat them. They get to bully out almost all melee champions for free and get solo tower plate gold while they're at it. Range remains to be one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, stat in the game. This has been the case in League since it's inception.

The only thing these top laners can do vs these ranged champions is, again, to wait for the mercy of their jungler to come and help them. This is unacceptable when facing a class which is supposed to have such a poor early game that they need the addition of a whole other human being specifically tasked with keeping them alive in order to succeed.

If adc's want to be relevant early then they need to lose a good chunk of their scaling dominance. If adc's want to keep their late game then they need to lose a good chunk of their early game power

Gut adc's or give melee champions the tools to consistently dunk on them if they come near without their supports.

edit- summoner 13

Sirsir2 votes

Range top has been a cancer in this game pretty much any time it shows up.

AFAIC ADC mid is fair game. It just requires a different mindset than most midlanes. Not to say individuals can't be broken but as a class it's fine.

Nik Nikerson2 votes

What does bot lane players complaining about mages and bruisers bot lane have to do with any of this? They aren't the ones picking marksmen in mid and top (that would be mid and top laners). ADC players just wanted to be able to play the champions they like in the role they are supposed to play. If someone wants to smurf and play Vayne top, that has nothing to do with ADC mains.

iiGazeii1 votes

The offenders are usually the ADCs with a lot of mobility. Tristana, Ezreal, Vayne, and Kai'Sa come to mind. They combine high safety with good range and damage output, allowing them to stay safe even without a support helping them.

I'm not saying no ADC should have mobility. It's important to have variety. I'm saying that the mobility can be balanced. Look at Lucian. He's arguably the most mobile ADC, but it's balanced by his short range. He needs that mobility to function. The mobility on these other ADCs is extra.

I say Tristana should get the Lucian treatment. 500 range, reduce the range of her W, but buff her passive to keep her late game range the same and have it apply to the W as well. And buff the W damage. She gets awesome damage and waveclear and a devastating all-in, but needs to get in closer than other ADCs in the early game, so she's nowhere near as safe and needs to use the W to engage or take extra damage.

Kai'Sa doesn't need that good of a dash early. Make the movement speed on her E little to nothing early on. It should be an awkward channel that evolves into a badass dash, not a dash that evolves into a better dash. To compensate, maybe adjust her ult. Reduce the circle around enemy champions to 500 units, but increase the shield and reduce the cooldown early. She gets her opportunity to go all-in more often with a fatter shield, but she puts herself in more danger to do so.

Ezreal has mobility nerfs incoming. He gets his safety net or all-in tool, it's just far less often. Good change.

Kanzler4 votes

What solo lane have you seen Ezreal in lately?

Kai'sa doesn't have a dash besides her ult which requires a target with her passive and has really low range anyway.

Vayne sometimes goes top, but gets smashed by any toplaner with the ability to get on top of her. Plus the solo long lane makes it very unsafe for her to push without a jungler to baby her.

Tristana is currently the only abuser at the moment. Her early range was already nerfed a while ago. 500 range really feels awful because pretty much every mobility/engage spell has a longer range than that.

iiGazeii1 votes

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What solo lane have you seen Ezreal in lately?

Kai'sa doesn't have a dash besides her ult which requires a target with her passive and has really low range anyway.

Vayne sometimes goes top, but gets smashed by any toplaner with the ability to get on top of her. Plus the solo long lane makes it very unsafe for her to push without a jungler to baby her.

Tristana is currently the only abuser at the moment. Her early range was already nerfed a while ago. 500 range really feels awful because pretty much every mobility/engage spell has a longer range than that.

I've seen Ezreal mid quite a bit. Jungle less often.

Sorry, Kai'Sa's E is not technically a "dash", but it's a boost of movement speed that lets her engage and disengage and gives her too much safety in the early game.

Kanzler2 votes

Other than the random pick in normals, I've not once seen Ezreal mid in ranked recently.

I dont know why you're trying to blur the lines between dash and movement speed increase. They are very different mechanics. Additionally, that movement speed increase is tiny early game. The way it works is that as she scales in attack speed (which she doesn't have much of until her 2nd - 3rd item) the movement speed increases, but the duration decreases, such that at all attack speed points, she has a boost for a constant distance. This is weaker early game because she is locked out of autoattacking during the movement speed boost.

So no, this isn't at all a strong engage/safety tool early. It very much scales for late game like the rest of her kit does.

iiGazeii1 votes

{quoted}

Other than the random pick in normals, I've not once seen Ezreal mid in ranked recently.

I dont know why you're trying to blur the lines between dash and movement speed increase. They are very different mechanics. Additionally, that movement speed increase is tiny early game. The way it works is that as she scales in attack speed (which she doesn't have much of until her 2nd - 3rd item) the movement speed increases, but the duration decreases, such that at all attack speed points, she has a boost for a constant distance. This is weaker early game because she is locked out of autoattacking during the movement speed boost.

So no, this isn't at all a strong engage/safety tool early. It very much scales for late game like the rest of her kit does.

At rank 1, the minimum movement speed she gets from the ability is +55%. It is not tiny at all. She gets a huge boost of movement speed for engaging on enemies who get too close, or getting away from danger when she's in trouble. Combined with the built-in CDR, she has a very safe early game, especially for a hypercarry.

OtterlyLost1 votes

I would even say "abuser" very loosely. Her Winrate in solo lanes is only 46-47%. She's not breaking anything and if she is winning, its against bad players who don't respect her level 2 all in.

Teh Song1 votes

Riot should never do anything to enforce any kind of meta at any level. Whether adcs leave bot or other things go bot should be entirely up to players, not Riot.

Side note: Vayne going top isn't part of some adc invasion. Vayne is a top. She was designed to be a top. She is an anti-tank top laner.

Śhunpo2 votes

And yet Ziggs bot lane apparently is?

Teh Song1 votes

Is what?

Whatever you are trying to ask about Ziggs my stance is the same: Riot should never do anything to enforce any kind of meta. So where Ziggs is played should be entirely up to players, without Riot trying to make any particular choice happen. Same for every mage, every adc, and every everything else.

Śhunpo1 votes

Ah, so that's why they chain-buffed ADCs when the bot lane FINALLY had some goddamn diversity dammit!

TakaDama1 votes

I dont exactly mind ADCs top; after all, Teemo, Quinn, and Gnar (mini) exist, and they can essentially build like an ADC or APC but still function on their own.

And I dont mind mages and fighters going bot lane: still want to live the dream of Illaoi ADC with Pyke Support in a normal tbh.

What I do mind is the lack of counterplay ranged autoattacks have, which is made even more obvious when base movement speed is much closer between champions than base range.

For example, Vlad has 450 range and 330 base movement speed and Irelia has 200 range and 335 movement speed. Without considering abilities, items, or runes, Vlad could kite Irelia for 50 seconds (well more like 40 due to auto attack lag) before she could walk up to him. If Vlad only had 0.5 attack speed (conservative estimate, plus that's easy to work with), that is about 20 to 25 autos from Vlad before Irelia can get 1 in.

Of course, range and movement speed dont exist in a vacuum, and chances are Irelia could simply dash to Vlad. However, during the early game, the value of being able to safely harass your opponent can't be undervalued.

Daddy ReTaric1 votes

Give Quinn her damage ultimate back and she will be more used on bot lane. I dislike playing top with Quinn but with current ADC roster, I can't just play bot. People call you a troll also.

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