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Please nerf Lee sin

Śhunpo·1/16/2020, 4:44:30 PM·92 votes·18,445 views

He's never not been meta and he's incredibly overloaded and overtuned. No champion should have access to insane mobility, sustain, shields, CC, insane damage, built-in attack speed and a combo that GUARANTEES a kill; being R->QQ.

He either needs some sustain and attack speed taken away from him or the stun completely removed from his ultimate or slightly shortened so that you can actually avoid the Q after.

If Lee Sin is nerfed (as well as some other junglers) then we can actually see some level of fairness out of the jungle role, and it can finally be balanced properly once EXP is changed in the jungle.

But above all else Lee Sin is long overdue for some proper nerfs.

Edit: This also extends to Elise, Olaf and Ekko. Dr. Mundo would be included but at this point he just needs a full rework that makes him go top lane again.

119 Comments

Live2LetDie1/16/2020, 4:54:55 PM36 votes

its always been riots moto to not nerf champions that can make "the plays" on stage. Lee nerfs have been called since season 3

IP Masquerena1/16/2020, 10:37:08 PM11 votes

You know, the community on the boards never ceases to amaze me, even tho I don't expect more from them.

Not even 2 weeks ago I made this: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/WKGNvavc-lets-talk-lee-seen

And even suggested actual nerfs for him, not just "list kit, call OP, farm upvotes", and nobody cared. And that's something I notice a hella lot in many people's threads, if the thread talks actual stuff, it's gonna get barely any comments or upvotes, but if the thread is "X OP, PLOX NERF" or similar, upvote and comment galore.

As for the nerfs I suggested:

  • Increase the base CD of his Sonic Wave by quite a bit, BUT, offer a refund when Resonating Strike is used.
  • Remove the 0.25s CC on R.

For details on why those, refer to my thread.

Support Position1/16/2020, 7:16:09 PM9 votes

-3 ad -5 movement speed Riot: This is what you wanted right?

Ahri Baka1/16/2020, 7:14:55 PM8 votes

Kinda how funny how people say Junglers are weak when the problem itself is Shits like Lee being overpowered

Vanic9981/17/2020, 1:07:02 AM6 votes

The funny thing is, even if Riot does as you say, they'll buff him again before the next worlds anyway.

Tusef1/16/2020, 11:14:00 PM4 votes

Finally someone understands. His early game sustain and damage is actually insane, and because everyone in low elo is getting better Lee sin is not that hard of a champ. 10 games with him you can have decent success with him. He is like Olaf but with utility in his kit instead of raw dmg and lfiesteal, but his early dmg output is still insane and his sustain. He has one of the best shields in the game, amazing mobility, sustain, and does damage.

AidanWR1/16/2020, 11:48:29 PM4 votes

He also has 345ms, which is the third highest ms in the game, and he has two dash abilities. To put this in perspective, Rek'Sai has 335ms unburrowed, and 365ms burrowed (at max level W, which is maxed last). This means that a champion that has an easier time getting to a champion has an easier time sticking on the champion.

VelvetCrotch1/16/2020, 7:49:23 PM4 votes

they nerfed Irelia and Kassa movement speed (which was both a total joke - especially Kassa) but Lee Sin REALLY needs a movement speed nerf. He outruns so many champs even without shoes its ridiculous!

McKuntalds1/17/2020, 2:53:12 AM4 votes

Just nerf his ratios. That's it. Keep his base stats and kit intact and just nerf his ratios . That will stop him from building full lethality/full AD and literally instagibbing everything on the map .

Woodakoodashooda1/16/2020, 7:51:40 PM3 votes

Reduce his MS by 5.

In all seriousness though, even if Lee were to be nerfed, it would be a minor reduction to something such as one of his base stats or one of his growth stats or a minor increase to an energy cost on one of his abilities.

If and when Lee is nerfed, it won't be a major change. You will still end up having to deal with him and learn how to play against him. So, instead of bitching about something you've no control over, how about you at least put in the effort to learn how to play against him instead of expecting Riot to hold your hand and say "It's going to be alright, we'll take care of the big bad meanie. You don't have to be scared anymore."?

only luciano1/17/2020, 7:55:49 PM2 votes

I don't see why he needs to give a shield to a teammate that is as strong as Sona's shield.

Lord Butt Fumble1/18/2020, 3:13:51 AM2 votes

Wow I feel like I'm reading a post from season 3.

FunkmasterFunk1/17/2020, 7:38:46 PM2 votes

Ever since I started playing ranked he's been the only champion I've ever banned. There's something about him that makes a game completely unwinnable. His ganks are ridiculous and as a jungler myself I feel completely powerless to preventing my lanes from feeding.

Saezio1/17/2020, 11:17:06 PM2 votes

I'd be cool with something simple like Q movement speed to be toned down so you can more easily dodge it when lee uses W or flash or something and is on top of you.

It's such a cheat that the hardest part of the kit (landing a Q) is so easily played around and made irrelevant by being in close range.

But that's never gonna happen obviously, cause flashy champ.(same with thresh and orianna who are usually buffed before worlds when they aren't in pro meta) What I don't get is why other flashy champs like pyke/yasuo are not treated the same... I guess community's hate there is too strong.

Another stupid champion is qiyanna, she is like a better Lee sin if you are good with her. Only thing is she loses the 1v1 early, but she has way higher chances to pull multiple assassinations than lee.

DamSonWhUFndThis1/18/2020, 1:43:46 PM1 votes

Keep the upvotes coming for some reason 65 score thread is falling

xXCairoKingXx1/17/2020, 5:25:31 AM1 votes

He's so squishy tho

OHminus1/17/2020, 5:07:16 PM1 votes

R->Q->Q guarantees a kill? Sure, if the Lee Sin is 14/0 at 15 minutes and you're not building any armor

The Lee Sin hate here is real, the real reasons why he's always meta is because he's so versatile with a really strong early and mid game, and pro teams love versatility and early-> mid champs in the jungle. Not to mention Riot's been pushing early game junglers for over 2 years now

The meta atm? Olaf Elise > LeeSin Ekko RekSai