This is what the new morde can do

Galewings·Aug 11, 2015·27 votes·8,251 views

Just aa a minion twice and flash-oneshot one of the carries with a 260% scaling on your ad AND ap.

CertainlyT really tries to outdo himself for everything he releases.

EDIT:

I just wanted to say that by no means this is going to be what happens 100% of the time every game, in truth it is extremely situational. But the fact that Mordekaiser will become THE prime example of feast or famine champions just shows how awful this "rework" is in my opinion.

In short Mordekaiser either becomes an absolute monster who can just oneshot a carry or a pathetic joke that is easily poked out, kited and zoned out for being an immobile melee with no cc. That's not balance or any healthier a gameplay than solo lane morde could be. But hey, he can maybe get a pet ghost dragon every several minutes so it's okay.

70 Comments

Vistha KaiAug 11, 201536 votes

Well, this is what happens when you give an ability an exponential scaling.

And then CT will come and tell us that this is more healthy than solo lane Mordekaiser.

Knight SoIaire Aug 11, 20157 votes

this so much

LankPantsAug 12, 20152 votes

Well, this is what happens when you give an ability an exponential scaling.

Fun fact, Mord's damage isn't exponential on additional hits, it's polynomial. This actually causes it to get out of hand way quicker than an exponential ability, which does actually exist in the game in it's current state.

Nami's W on the 2nd and 3rd bounces scales up on a higher order than exponentially, although it requires AP to do so.

I don't necessarily think exponential scalings are terrible, you just need to set the n and m in the (xn)^(mx) (where X is AP/AD) equation low enough.

For Nami the equation is (230+0.5xAP)^(0.85+0.00075xAP) for the second hit, for the third it's (230+0.5xAP)^(0.85+0.00075xAP)^2, meaning once she gets 201 AP the damage grows as an exponent, before 200 it decays exponentially.

The problem with Mord is that his ability doesn't use an exponential, rather just a strict power which gets super ridicules really quickly. At max rank Mord's Q is a power 9 polynomial, which is around a 5 times greater power than what is achievable with Nami's true exponential scaling.

The equation for Mord's third hit is (20+0.3xAD+0.2xAP)^9, which can be simplified to 180+2.7xAD+1.8xAP, AKA it's stronger than Veigar's ult.

Vistha KaiAug 12, 20151 votes

Frankly I never learned maths in english. Well, you still got the idea.

CrettAug 11, 201528 votes

"what"

ApexInTheCircleAug 13, 20151 votes

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"what"

I was watching this at work. And when bard said what I literally lol'd and had another co-worker look at me like I'm insane.

Meeks011Aug 11, 20159 votes

lol he can only do this once every five minutes using flash.

Also Infinity Edge crits have a 250% AD ratio. "OMG ADC DEALING DAMAGE" nothing new. Yi kills me in second when I have a Thornmail. People are just looking for something to complain about.

Morde has no CC or mobility so he will have a REALLY hard time landing it. Pantheon's E has a 360% bonus AD ratio and I don't see anyone complaining.

toonpangAug 11, 20157 votes

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lol he can only do this once every five minutes using flash.

Also Infinity Edge crits have a 250% AD ratio. "OMG ADC DEALING DAMAGE" nothing new. Yi kills me in second when I have a Thornmail. People are just looking for something to complain about.

Morde has no CC or mobility so he will have a REALLY hard time landing it. Pantheon's E has a 360% bonus AD ratio and I don't see anyone complaining.

That's true, but with a good support [which is why CT is forcing him into bot lane or duo jungle] Mordekaiser will be hitting his Q on stunned and slowed targets for 1,0000,000,0,0000,,00000,0 damage.

Which means without a good support Morde will never hit anyone, and with one he'll be pick/ban OP.

Riot said they were reworking old old Skarner for that exact reason- because they felt feast/famine gameplay was toxic and unhealthy. Now they're turning Mordekaiser into exactly that.

Personally, seeing Morde is at a 50% winrate right now at all tiers, I really really don't want to see him become permabanned and only playable with a good support.

Raid Boss MordeAug 12, 20154 votes

Same can be said about ADCs. If they have a good support, they can get at least 1 auto off, which is about equal to Morde's 3 Qs if you the ADC can land a crit. This isn't special, especially when you consider the fact that ADCs can deal that damage from range, while Mordekaiser has to be right up to you, and land 3 autos.

junglerboy16Aug 11, 20152 votes

Morde is actually a lane bully right now on PBE, shoving around normal ranged ADCs pretty easily.

Binxy PrimeAug 12, 20152 votes

Thats just because the people who play on PBE are bad at the game, trust me in higher elos Morde is going to be really weak in lane even with perfectly complimentary supports.

junglerboy16Aug 12, 20151 votes

Fair enough, that may indeed be the case, but until he goes live you can't say that definitively. A lot of things come out of the PBE even more OP than they first appeared when people who actually know how to play get their hands on a champ.

I agree that the PBE isn't generally filled with the best players (that or they're trying out crazy things because it's the PBE anyway), but there were plenty of champs and reworks recently who looked balanced on PBE, or even a little weak that turned out to be absurd once players figured them out. Once people hone in on a good build for the new Morde and figure out his play style, I bet it will all level out since people will learn how to counter it while Morde players will learn how to abuse his strengths even more.

AtheosisXAug 11, 20153 votes

The issue isn't how often he can do it. The issue is the complete lack of counterplay.

ChaosThiefAug 11, 20154 votes

Let's not throw that word around please. When you say that, keep in mind basically this is a flash tibbers, except instead of an AOE stun it just takes out one person.

AtheosisXAug 11, 20152 votes

Considering they have repeatedly said they don't like a lack of counterplay you don't think it's an issue that they are adding in more of it? And just for the record flash Tibbers is not okay.

UPfreelyAug 11, 20155 votes

agree delete flash

AtheosisXAug 11, 20151 votes

I would honestly love that. Flash really isn't a healthy summoner spell. But because it's used so heavily and is so ingrained into the game it will never happen.

UPfreelyAug 11, 20152 votes

its just silly saying a flash auto has no counterplay :P I get that it is pretty jaw dropping getting one shot but this is basically what morde needs to do 'if i reach you, you die.' how else will he compete with high ranged lategame crit scaling?

AtheosisXAug 11, 20152 votes

So basically he is still the binary piece of trash he's always been. Only now he's bot lane and can literally one shot people off a flash or a support's grab. Why are people defending this rework again? I don't get it...

MalchaAug 12, 20152 votes

This doesn't happen until very late in the game, and he's been allowed to be successful. In the state he's in, unless you're just letting him take dragons, he's not going to be like this until almost 30 mins in.

At that point, any burst ap mage can do this. Yes, it only took one spell, however that spell is 70% of his power budget. LB can do this with 70% of her power budget dumped on a character, so can brand or annie, or fizz. He can't use W alone and his E's base values have been destroyed in exchange for AD scaling. His ult also got nerfed.

So yes, his Q is a MASSIVE part of his power budget, however even with that in mind, it still required flash and jungle minions to build the first two strikes on. Sure it's jarring. Is it broken? Considering the rest of his kit, not really. Especially considering he's trying to get fed in bot lane. Try playing morde against thresh kallista, he'll be farming under tower for the entire early game. He honestly does less damage that some of the AD carries bot. This shouldn't happen early in the game unless someone fucked up. Then you deserve it, kind of like Poppy. This is never going to happen in lane unless he's 8/0 and farmed at the 15 minute mark.

Adam D Smith Aug 12, 20151 votes

Once every 5 minutes he gets 2 1 hit a carry... In a 40 minute game that is 8 free kills...

NechroniaAug 13, 20151 votes

A carry too stupid to know better than to stand near Morde after he uses it twice on a minion.

kcStrangerAug 11, 20156 votes

9x damage with AD and AP scaling on an auto-attack is just too much. Sure, this can be taken care of by simply making the ratio not exponential, but considering the other problems with the rework (mostly the new W), I honestly think they should just cancel the rework and try again later.

Du Ma MiAug 11, 20155 votes

CertainlyT strikes again. Why does it not require all three attacks against the same target?

So people complain about how it takes three hits to deal enough damage now. Then they complain that it should take all three hits on the same target. Yes this is strong, but now you're just being nitpicky, because it's CertainlyT.

JungHai0Aug 11, 20154 votes

You all are saying "lol he had to use flash tho"

And ignoring the fact that he did over 1700 damage in one hit. On a non-ultimate ability.

AtheosisXAug 11, 20152 votes

Yeah, and it's going to be real fun when he does it in lane over and over off of blitz grabs...

BiffoloAug 12, 20151 votes

Sidestepping is a wonderful thing isn't it?

Arcane AzmadiAug 12, 20154 votes

You know that "just dodge it" is not, has never been, and will never be a legitimate justification for a skillshot being overpowered, right? Doesn't matter whether it's a Ryze Q or a hypothetical skillshot that does 100% of the target's maximum HP In true damage, "just dodge it" has the exact same value as a counterargument against both of them. The only thing that matters is the projectile speed and reach- and Rocket Grab has a projectile speed of 1800 (that's 50% faster than Morgana's Dark Binding).

Technically, by your argument, Rocket Grab is the worst skill in the entire game, tied for last place with every other skillshot, because it should have a hit rate of 0% and if you get hit by it you're a noob who deserves to lose. Hey, little tip for you buddy- skillshots do actually hit sometimes. Then you have to evaluate them by what they do, and if that means you get utterly ANNIHILATED by Mordekaiser that's hypothetically VERY problematic.

I still think the rework sucks. Overloading 1 part of Morde's kit to retarded levels doesn't make up for the fact that he's still a very dumb champion to run in bottom lane.

Nuclear PandaAug 12, 20151 votes

Morde is gonna be a counter to blitz cuz blitz will be his free gap closer to the enemy carry

BiffoloAug 12, 20151 votes

We are talking about his synergy with the robot

Nuclear PandaAug 13, 20151 votes

Then why did u mention sidestepping it?

BiffoloAug 13, 20151 votes

Because if you are facing morde blitz, you need to sidestep the blitz hook or get killed.

MatezoideAug 11, 20152 votes

Sure, lets ignore the ability's several weaknesses and pretend he is broken now.

It is still dumb as fuck though, but he literally needs this to be useful on the PBE, which just shows how "good" the rework is.

JungHai0Aug 12, 20151 votes

Hey, I never said the rework was good. I'm going to miss the old Morde and hope to God this rework isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

All I said was that maybe that much damage on a single ability is too much. Just maybe. It doesn't matter how weak the rest of the kit is, one-shotting people is for DOTA players, not League.

MatezoideAug 12, 20152 votes

Ah, i see, my appologies.

Yes, i agree. Completely putting the entirely of a champion's power into a single ability and balancing around this is never a good idea. Either Mord would be completely broken if he has a CC team or completely useless....crappy design, imo.

agbudarAug 12, 20151 votes

no it shows how bad the decision of nerfing his movespeed was

NullDragonAug 11, 20154 votes

Meanwhile, noone complains when Draven throws an axe at you and does the same thing...

Only a 335% AD ratio.

WajsterAug 11, 20152 votes

Draven takes mechanics. Stop crying.

NullDragonAug 11, 20156 votes

Right clicking an enemy. So much mechanics. Wow.

Yes, I am aware that he has the opportunity for MORE 335% AD autos after the first hit, while Morde finishes the last hit of his combo and is done.

Posui GartAug 11, 20153 votes

Is it live? No? Then wtf guy? Of course, knowing Riot's PBE balance, we will have it live On the other hand, its not really THAT much damage, for 667 AP and melee ability, that requires target to be solo Maybe it will require 3 attacks on same target to increase damage(so you can hit a creep for 1x, then hit champion 2 times for 1x and 3x). Anyways, he WILL scale great with attack speed. And we have just an item that gives great attackspeed and allows executing 3-attack combos in 2 attacks( item 3718 ), so...

TyaldanAug 12, 20151 votes

no longer requires solo. thats the whole point of the new q. It doesnt do aoe at all. Also yes please devour morde. Should be more bullshit than devour kayle.

buster kitonAug 11, 20152 votes

And that's without any magic pen built.

Lost In TimeAug 11, 20154 votes

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And that's without any magic pen built.

vs a target with little/no magic resist...

buster kitonAug 11, 20155 votes

Doesn't that mean it's even more effective (I mean flat magic pen)? If his boots were upgraded that would be solid 10% damage boost.

PunkkeeAug 11, 20151 votes

wait what how do you know that azir has little/no magic resist?

WheatloafAug 11, 20151 votes

Azir usually runs scaling CDR blues instead of magic resist.

NilokAug 12, 20151 votes

He doesn't gain attack speed from CDR anymore.

WheatloafAug 12, 20151 votes

It's still a really good stat on him :s

CarryAug 11, 20152 votes

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vs a target with little/no magic resist...

Flat magic pen is actually more effective vs low MR targets.

This is a concept that for some reason people fail to grasp because I guess they think "penetration, sounds like it counters resistance", when in fact flat penetration is a larger multiplier vs squishies and a relatively tiny multiplier vs targets with a lot of resistance.

MalchaAug 12, 20152 votes

People keep complaining that this is going to ruin lanes. He's not hitting this hard early. You have plenty of time to push him out before he's doing this kind of damage. He doesn't come out the gate doing this much, not even close.