Genuine question.
Just played a game as Sivir against a Yi, and everytime I would try to spellshield his Q, it seemed as if my spellshield would never go off.
If it does, when should I use the spellshield to effectively block the damage? If not.....well, thanks for the info.
Soul Dealer11 votesBut yet Jax e does not dodge it
MrFawknSunshine1 votesmost likely due to being "untargetable" during his Q
Ætheist9 votesYi's Q doesn't apply on-hit effects, though. It can just critically strike for bonus damage.
As for spell shields, you have to shield when Yi reappears, I think. Alpha Strike doesn't actually do damage until Yi reappears.
MrFawknSunshine2 votesso your saying it dont stack nor apply
?
Ætheist6 votesso your saying it dont stack nor apply
It doesn't.
It mostly wouldn't work with Rageblade anyway even if it did apply on-hits because Rageblade's counter and phantom hit are both on-attack effects, not on-hit effects.
MrFawknSunshine1 voteson attack / on hit
are different?
seems the same to me
Ætheist2 voteson attack / on hit
are different?
seems the same to me
On-attack means the effect is applied when you perform a basic attack (when you right-click an enemy). Rageblade gains stacks on-attack, meaning that Runaan's Hurricane bolts and abilities that apply on-hits won't stack it because they weren't basic attacks you performed.
On-hit means when you hit an enemy with a basic attack, or an ability that applies on-hit effects.
Automated Riven1 votesThe way I can understand it easilly is on attack procs when a basic attack is performed,whereas on hit is applied when the attack lands. Which is why Jax can dodge on hit damage, but cannot stop rageblade from stacking.
MrFawknSunshine6 votesYi's Q isnt a spell . its an empowered auto attack
therefore its not blocked
Step Sis Lux29 votessince when his q is empowered aa
ModThe Djinn17 votes[{quoted}](name=Step Sis Lux,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=suBvFTHj,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-22T22:19:54.936+0000)
since when his q is empowered aa
Actually, I'm guessing it is coded that way, looking at it. It can crit, and applies on-hit effects, so it may just be riding on the auto-attack code.
Ice Weasel X4 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=suBvFTHj,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-22T22:21:44.372+0000)
Actually, I'm guessing it is coded that way, looking at it. It can crit, and applies on-hit effects, so it may just be riding on the auto-attack code.
It crits, but it doesn't apply on-hit effects. I just tested in Training Mode with Blade of the Ruined King. The on-hit passive did not apply to Q targets, and neither did Wuju Style's true damage. Only Wuju Style's passive AD bonus applies to Alpha Strike's scaling, which is not an on-hit bonus. This is why Yi players don't activate E before Q if they're Q initiating, only if they're AA initiating.
ez mental boom3 votesIt doesn't apply on-hit effects LMAO
The mods really do know nothing
ModThe Djinn5 votes[{quoted}](name=ez mental boom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=suBvFTHj,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-22T23:13:44.761+0000)
It doesn't apply on-hit effects LMAO
Ah -- you're technically correct. The specific functionality is that he automatically queues up an auto-attack on the primary target. That's where I was mixing things up.
Hethalean1 votes[deleted]
ModThe Djinn3 votesIt absolutely does apply on hit effects to the first target only. If you're not sure, load up practice tool, give yourself lvl 18, and a sheen or botrk. Then Q 2 dummies in a row. Botrk gets applied to the first target hit, and sheen is consumed on the first target hit.
Excellent! Then I'm not completely insane -- just exactly as insane as I had assumed.
Hethalean5 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=suBvFTHj,comment-id=0000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-22T23:26:36.126+0000)
Excellent! Then I'm not completely insane -- just exactly as insane as I had assumed.
No, i'm absoluetly wrong. sorry. i was thinking Yasuo not Master Yi. omg Im an idiot.
Hethalean3 votes[{quoted}](name=ez mental boom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=suBvFTHj,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-22T23:13:44.761+0000)
It doesn't apply on-hit effects LMAO
The mods really do know nothing
Why are you disparaging someone not knowing something and blowing that to 'they know nothing'?
Rock MD8 votes[{quoted}](name=ez mental boom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=suBvFTHj,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-22T23:13:44.761+0000)
It doesn't apply on-hit effects LMAO
The mods really do know nothing
Their job is to manage a bunch of whiny morons not know game mechanics inside and out.
SociaI Justice2 votestheir job is to lock discussions and censor shit they don't agree with, and of course occasionally ban people for saying bad words.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesits kinda likes nasus Q
its autos and applies on hit
DuskDaUmbreon4 votes...Do you mean his E?
MrFawknSunshine1 voteswhos E?
Hethalean2 votesYi's Q isnt a spell . its an empowered auto attack
therefore its not blocked
Sivir spellshield will block Hecarim E though.... pretty sure?
Electro5221 votesThat it can. I've blocked it several times.
I've also blocked Leona Q, Nasus Q, and Ekko E.
So..... I think I agree with everyone else here. Yi Q is not an empowered auto.
Electro5224 votesIt can block a Nasus Q though. It doesn't block the actual auto attack portion of it, but it does block the buffed portion of it.
So, if Yi's Q is an empowered auto, I should block the buffed auto, but not the auto itself. Unless, it just applies his auto to all targets it hits, thus, it's not technically dealing damage itself?
MrFawknSunshine1 votesim not sure...
just spit balling here.
Vlada Cut1 votesYi's Q isnt a spell . its an empowered auto attack
therefore its not blocked
That is his passive you dork, meanwhile his E makes his next set of AA's deal bonus true damage.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesya know my comment that is getting downvoted that you call me a dork over is the same point that The Djinn makes and gets upvoted
Vlada Cut1 votesya know my comment that is getting downvoted that you call me a dork over is the same point that The Djinn makes and gets upvoted
Yes because you have NO idea what aou aren't talking about. Neither do you know what his P Q W E R do. His Q, Alpha Strike is a 4 target damage spell that gives him untargetability when casted. How on eaeth is that AA related? The only AA empowering abilities he has are double strike from passive and his E which gives him bonus true damage on auto attacks. Then you ask yourself why you were not only called a dork but also a snowflake...
F034 votesyou have to wait for yi's Q to nearly finish before spell shielding it. kind of like zed ult its a timing thing if you instantly Q it won't work because his Q does not apply the damage instantly
ez mental boom4 votesYou probably used it early. Yi Q does not apply damage (and therefore cannot be blocked) until after he has bounced to every target.
SwiftKitten882 votesit pisses me off that 
W (pool) wont proc her spellshield
meaning the only two abilties i have that can proc it as morg are my ulti... and my Q.
neither of which i can waste on a spellshield.
i dont have an issue with her spellshield blocking my Q or my ulti.. that makes sense..
just feel if silver pre-casts it too early.. i should be able to kill it with my W if she steps in it
PSA if your having trouble vs morg.. go 
or any ap champ can build 
any AD champs can build
( if you can kill morg in the 7 second u have with your spellsheld something is wrong with you)
idk why i never see people building properly
or u can build 
literally tons of options.. but people noadays never freaking change their build for their situation
Elite4Runner2 votesThe LolWiki page for Spell Shield says it pretty clearly
If the ability is of an enhanced basic attack the spell shield will not block the damage of it, but only any additional effect it might have, like crowd control.
Vlada Cut2 votesWhat's the point...Yi still deletes sivir with one AA, that is compound of his passive AA being double AA, then being multiplied by 2 AA's again by ~
...
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Still...it's weird how Spellshield doesn't block his Alpha Strike.
Carnicore1 votesIt does block Alpha Strike, it's just that Master Yi immediately auto attacks afterward. That's why it feels like Alpha Strike is damaging you.
Khristophoros1 votesI just tested vs a Yi bot. The only timing I can get to work is if I cast spell shield before he casts Alpha Strike.
I believe this is because Alpha Strike is basically a debuff applied to you at the moment Yi casts it, then the damage is dealt when the debuff ends. The damage itself isn't what triggers spell shields. Only the initial application of the "debuff" from him casting it triggers spell shields.
Electro5221 votesI can see this being the case. There are other "multi-stage" spells that can only be blocked at the start of the spell, not after. Best example is Zed's ult. You have to spellshield the initial mark, you can't spellshield the mark exploding.
Another one is Evelynn's W. In order to avoid the charm all together, you have to spellshield the application of the charm itself (which is practically impossible, due to it being an instant point and click from miles away, and she's invisible). You can block her E or her first Q when you have the charm on you, but doing so won't consume the charm debuff. Thus, if she throws out another spell, or another Q, that spell will consume the charm debuff, and charm you.
Leto GT1 votesI guess your shield went down before the damage proc
FNC 6ixGOD1 votesI've had issues with this problem a long time. I play both Kayn and Master Yi in the jungle and whenever I was playing against a Sivir or even a Nocturne as Kayn, I couldn't ult both champions when the spellshield is up. My ult would go on cooldown, my champion would not consume the enemy champion that is using the spellshield and no damage would be delt. Now when im playing Yi and i Q onto a Sivir or Nocturne with their spell shield activated, the damage is delt, the dash is completed and the spell shield would remain, which I think is pretty unfair to the player using the spell shield.
crispy661 votesyou were more than likely timing your spell shield wrong, spell shield does block alpha strike
