Gunblade's Active should have a bonus AD ratio

FalconPawwwwnch·Jun 27, 2015·21 votes·974 views

Considering the item is pretty AP Biased right now when it's supposed to be a hybrid item

9 Comments

LilxPaprikaJun 27, 20151 votes

it would have to choose from whichever is the greater. if it scales with ad it would scale at a higher percent. would be interesting if it dealt physical damage as ad and only work off lifesteal though :( so the sustain would be less. unless you have another source of lifesteal or elixir or wrath. or could just scale with ad and still be applied as magic dmg like poppy q. Current:

UNIQUE: Deals 150 (+ 40% AP) magic damage and slows the target champion's movement speed by 40% for 2 seconds. 60 second cooldown. (700 range)

Revised:

UNIQUE: Deals magic damage for the greater value between 150 (+ 40% AP) or 150 (+80% AD) and slows the target champion's movement speed by 40% for 2 seconds. 60 second cooldown. (700 range)

then while were add it to really make it fair for both parties add this change to gunblade build path: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/hZAew4Y7-gunblade-path-diversity plus this change to spell vamp: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/TaXPYTao-spellvamp-100-scale-on-aoe-but-with-100-cap-as-thoughwas-singletargetoverlap-w-current-equation

and voila, gunblade sparkles anew.

LarasoJun 27, 20151 votes

Gunblade isn't really a hybrid AD/AP item. If that's what you're looking for, grab a item 3124 .

item 3146 is an AP item that scales well with mages who have AD ratios and/or auto attack often. Akali Kayle Katarina Mordekaiser Teemo

Heckin SupportJun 27, 20153 votes

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Gunblade isn't really a hybrid AD/AP item. If that's what you're looking for, grab a .

is an AP item that scales well with mages who have AD ratios and/or auto attack often.

Since when does auto attack often. It makes me cringe when Katarina players build Gunblade or Liandry.

LarasoJun 27, 20151 votes

I said and/or. AND / OR. She doesn't auto attack often, but she has AD ratios on both her W (65%) and her R (375%). Gunblade adds a lot of damage to Kat, and the active gives her extra burst and stickyness.

I don't agree with people who build it first, though. I see it as a good second or third item for Kat.

When Kat players build item 3136 , they're not doing it because they really want item 3151 . They're doing it because of the early/mid game power spike that the magic penetration gives. One thing that some people don't understand is that aside from her ult, Kat has extremely low AP ratios, and magic penetration gives her a lot more damage than raw AP does.

asqaproJun 27, 20155 votes

Whirls daggers in a circle dealing 40/75/110/145/180 (+60% bonus Attack Damage) (+25% Ability Power) magic damage. If she hits an enemy Champion, Katarina gains 15/20/25/30/35% movement speed for 1 second.

Becomes a flurry of blades, throwing daggers at the closest 3 enemy Champions dealing 350/550/750 (+375% bonus Attack Damage) (+250% Ability Power) magic damage over 2.5 seconds.Daggers apply Grievous Wounds, reducing incoming healing by 50% for 3 seconds.

AD ratios.

Heckin SupportJun 28, 20151 votes

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Whirls daggers in a circle dealing 40/75/110/145/180 (+60% bonus Attack Damage) (+25% Ability Power) magic damage. If she hits an enemy Champion, Katarina gains 15/20/25/30/35% movement speed for 1 second.

Becomes a flurry of blades, throwing daggers at the closest 3 enemy Champions dealing 350/550/750 (+375% bonus Attack Damage) (+250% Ability Power) magic damage over 2.5 seconds.Daggers apply Grievous Wounds, reducing incoming healing by 50% for 3 seconds.

AD ratios.

It's still not worth it to build ad. It's more cost effective to build straight up ap.

ChaoticPineconeJun 28, 20151 votes

The real reason to not build gunblade is because there are too many other great AP items. Kat uses gunblade pretty well. The active slow keeps people in your ult and its another nuke as well. Its also not wasted stats.

there are just better options with the introduction of Ludens. in that time period where DFG was removed but Ludens wasnt in the game, Kat used gunblade very well.

LilxPaprikaJun 27, 20151 votes

its inception it was designed as hybrid back when it had 12% lifesteal and less ap, in fact it even leaned towards ad imo. the only reason hybrid champion didn't use it is because of the other items don't synergyze as well its usally better to go all one way. itemization is pretty polarized that way atm.

Patch changes:

Attack damage decreased to 40 from 45. Ability power increased to 80 from 65. Lifesteal decreased to 10% from 12%.

Gold values

40 attack damage = 1440 Gold 80 ability power = 1740 Gold 10% life steal = 550 Gold 20% spell vamp = 550 Gold Total Gold Value = 4280 Gold

45 ad = 1620 gold 65 ap = 1423.75 g 12% ls = 660 g

so ya overall gold wise it actually favored ad champs.

there's a lot that can be said to argue its place as being just as ad friendly. i've been typing a lot today so wont get into it for now just posting this to shine some light on the numbers. if they revised spellvamp a bit as per the above suggestion it would likely perform better on ad champs.

Pantheon Irelia Gangplank Skarner Udyr heck even Rengar Fiora Nasus Shen Sion Shaco Poppy XinZhao

a well placed GP ult or irelia ultimate could give quite a bit of health back with the above QOL buff to spellvamp xinzhao e would get 100% sv on a single target as well as ultimate.