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4/12 mid laner tells me I "take ranked too seriously"

MonkeyMadness··121 votes·6,051 views

If you or anyone else you know is like this, do us all a favor and STAY THE FUCK OUT OF RANKED. Ranked is DESIGNED to be taken seriously That's literally the only reason it exists as a separate queue from normal games, and when you go into a plat level game and feed like this, but they have the nerve to say "calm down, it's just a game" you are absolutely ENRAGING players like me that do take ranked seriously. Play to win (regardless of elo) or go play normals. I seriously cannot fathom why a player who doesn't take the game seriously would bother to queue up for ranked in the first place. Why would you voluntarily queue up for a game mode that is prone to toxicity and high stress levels by design if all you are looking to do is have fun???

Edit: ty for the upvotes (even though my comments below are getting slammed). I would like to point out something that may help clear things up for some of you people downvoting me and not understanding where I'm coming from: I am in plat, and I am in no way a casual player. In plat, the mentality is far different from that of silver and bronze, or even gold. This tier is widely considered to be the first real step to "high elo" and therefore comes with a significantly increased sense of competition. However, because of players like the one mentioned above (along with the defilement of competitive integrity due to Dynamic Queue) this sense of competition is being absolutely gutted, and it makes ranked far less enjoyable at this level.

296 Comments

Jacknife62 votes

... because even if the game is a competitive one, you still need to have some fun playing it otherwise you won't enjoy the outcome, even if you win? Yes, ranked is about try-harding. Yes, every player who queues should take it seriously. But if you hang on to that seriousness too much, every game and every tiny mistake will look like it's much more important than it is, and ranked will just turn into a chore, along with tilting yourself. Believe me it's a habit I've done to myself countless times, and something I'm trying to break. Just focus on improving yourself and playing enough to improve. The wins will come.

MonkeyMadness9 votes

This is a team game, and I will not succumb to this kind of mentality. The best games I've ever played are the ones where we fall behind early, but with good coordination and communication, we manage to stall out the game long enough to make a comeback, and then take a crucial late game teamfight to shift the momentum in our favor. Sadly, since hitting plat, this no longer occurs because it is full to the brim with players like the one I'm referencing in the original post.

Jacknife31 votes

{quoted}

Sadly, since hitting plat, this no longer occurs because it is full to the brim with players like the one I'm referencing in the original post.

The only thing in your games you can really influence is yourself, so focus on yourself. Blame others all you like...

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/07/Yoda-That-is-why-you-fail-gif.gif?gs=a

MonkeyMadness7 votes

Ah, and herein lies YOUR problem. You think I blamed this other player for the loss. Perhaps if you read my post and these comments without inflicting you obvious bias upon it, you would see the very transparent (or so I thought) fact that I DO NOT CARE THAT WE LOST THE GAME. In fact, if all 10 players have a good game, then I don't mind losing. I certainly don't like it, but it is not reasonable to expect that you will win every game, no matter how good you are. What I cannot tolerate, is when a player actively does not put forth the same effort as his or her teammates. And this is exactly what happened here.

Oh, and also, the quoted text from the player in question is all from the endgame lobby. None of this "fighting" (if you can even call it that) happened during the game. Only after the game had ended and we were discussing things in the endgame lobby did this shit come out.

One final point:

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I'm currently plat, and was also plat last season. Given that the highest rank you've managed to get over the past 3 seasons is silver, perhaps you shouldn't be throwing the word "fail" around so freely...

Jacknife24 votes

First off on my rank, you seem to think this is the account I focus on. I assure you it is not. Don't pull the rank card like it means anything.

Second you never say anything in the OP that you didn't care if you lost. You also heavily imply that since the player you point out did not try his hardest, you lost. You're placing blame.

This game is an esport, but ranked queue is different than any sport played. Take football for example. Even at the highschool level, you get one team. You train with that team. You eventually learn what they're capable of, and play to their strengths and cover their weaknesses. You play each game as a team.

Ranked queue, you get paired with completely random people that you know nothing about. At best you know the champions they're playing and what they're capable of. The same rules apply, but you have no idea how your teammates work (unless you premade, which I'm assuming you don't). You can expect them to do the right things and have the right mentality, but you'll just set yourself up for failure. You'll get people of all ages and maturity, all playing this for different reasons. But still, you are a team. Their mistakes are your mistakes. Their mentality is your mentality. Their loss is your loss.

YOU ARE THE ONLY THING YOU CAN INFLUENCE IN THIS GAME. If you want people you can work well with, premade or work yourself up to a point where you'll get consistently matched with people who care as much as you do. Right now, the only thing you can do is see your performance each game, win or lose, and see what you can do better, so if you get another player who feeds his ass off or doesn't care, you can carry anyway.

Looking at all your other posts, you're either trying to troll everyone, or your skull is thicker and more close-minded than 10 inch lead plating.

MonkeyMadness8 votes

OHHHH HERE WE GO. This is gonna be fun...

First off on my rank, you seem to think this is the account I focus on. I assure you it is not. Don't pull the rank card like it means anything.

Interesting: so this is a smurf for you. Why, then, are you only in silver? If you are good (as you so clearly imply) why are you only being placed in silver? Incoming comment about how you had bad provisionals or how you don't play your main on this account. Either way, silver.

You also heavily imply that since the player you point out did not try his hardest, you lost. You're placing blame.

Here's why we actually lost: The player in question started the game by automuting a player on our team for what he believed to be a critical comment directed at him (in fact, it was a joke directed at a different player). Already off to a bad start, but then, throughout the duration of the game, this player utterly refused to respond to both chat and pings, resulting in him/her frequently being either overextended or simply not grouped with the team, resulting in him/her getting caught out and killed and forcing a great deal of very unfavorable teamfights (and he/she was playing kennen, so that ult was sorely missed). You can say I'm playing the blame game all you want, but facts are facts, and a 4v5 in plat is simply not a winnable scenario when your comp is based on an aoe teamfight combo (kennen + amumu + lulu).

This game is an esport, but ranked queue is different than any sport played.

No, not really, and this is why: LoL is a team game, just like football. And just like in football, every player has a position or role. Each person is responsible for that role in order to make the team function. If one player fails in their role, the entire team will suffer for it. Ergo, if you are not playing ranked with the mentality of "I have to devote myself entirely to this game because I have 4 other people counting on me" you are being a selfish prick and you are actively ruining the game for those 4 other players. The only real difference between LoL and a "classical" sport is that the teams are formed randomly and there is no practice/training. However, proper communication/coordination can sufficiently replace practice and training, especially given that the enemy team has the same problem. Any way you slice it, LoL functions very much the same as a conventional team sport.

Their mistakes are your mistakes. Their mentality is your mentality. Their loss is your loss.

This. This right here. Their mentality is evidently NOT my mentality (which is, ofc the reason for this post...duh). Their mistakes are obviously NOT my mistakes (I don't control them, so this is an incorrect statement). However, their loss IS my loss, and therein lies the problem. I can play as hardcore as I want, but if some asshat wants to just queue up to "have fun" and not play to win, I have to suffer the consequences of his/her actions. This is not right, at least not in a queue that was designed for the sole purpose of true competition. And it is this competition that I am fighting for here. Riot has gone to great lengths to reduce the competition in ranked (ie DQ), and I and a great many other ranked players find it difficult to enjoy the game because of it.

YOU ARE THE ONLY THING YOU CAN INFLUENCE IN THIS GAME.

Yes, this is correct, and when I'm actually playing I do my best to abide by this mentality. But when I'm on the forums, I can afford to actually take a more principled stand against that which I believe to be an injustice to rather large group of players.

Jacknife22 votes

siiiiiiiigh

I do not play games on this account. If you look at the match history, besides a few custom games where I test things out here and there, most of the games are months, even years old. I use this account almost strictly to post on here for this exact reason.

Welcome to League of Legends. If the other player was off making his own decisions, did you say anything to him? Try to ping? Shotcall at all?

"But still, you are a team." I'll admit maybe I didn't highlight it well enough, but yeah, LoL is a team game too, just like football. Except in ranked queue, you don't have teammates to count on like in football. You don't know them, they don't know you. They likely don't have the mindset you do, and want different things. But still, you have to work with them the best you can. The more you demand something from them, whether it should be expected or not, the more they're not gonna listen.

WELCOME TO LEAGUE OF LEGENDS. I'd like players that take the game seriously too, but I'm not gonna force my mindset on other people. Do I like it when people don't try their best? No. Can I do anything about it in 20-60 mins? BARELY. I do my best to turn something positive out of it, and whether I can or not, I move on. We're not pro's. Games don't matter, your performance does. If I'm consistently doing better, I'll play with people who are consistently doing better, and leave the people I hate playing with behind. Some people see league as a sport. Some see it as just another online game. They're all here playing. Whether you like them or not, you're queued with them. DEAL WITH IT.

You're one post on the boards isn't gonna change anyone's mentality. Quit acting self-entitled like you deserve better teammates because you try harder than most of them. Earn it.

Also I'm pointing out that this is the last response I'll give you. You're clearly stuck in your own mindset, and won't listen to reason, let alone anyone else's opinion.

S0kaX18 votes

Why do people say he's rager when he gets annoyed by somebody that doesn't play ranked to win?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo11 votes

who says the player he is bitching about wasnt trying to win and just didnt and when he raged at that player the player goes hey man chill its just a game?

MonkeyMadness16 votes

Because I didn't actually look at his KDA until AFTER the game had ended. In fact, all of this shit came out only after we had lost. He/she said the quoted text in the endgame lobby.

Also, your self-righteousness causes me physical pain. You have absolutely NO evidence to suggest that I raged at this player at all, yet you take this high and mighty stance as some kind of protector of players' rights. Don't be that guy. This is plat level ranked, everyone here is supposed to have a rather high level of mechanical skill, game sense, and competitive nature.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

{quoted}

Because I didn't actually look at his KDA until AFTER the game had ended. In fact, all of this shit came out only after we had lost. He/she said the quoted text in the endgame lobby.

Also, your self-righteousness causes me physical pain. You have absolutely NO evidence to suggest that I raged at this player at all, yet you take this high and mighty stance as some kind of protector of players' rights. Don't be that guy. This is plat level ranked, everyone here is supposed to have a rather high level of mechanical skill, game sense, and competitive nature.

ok so what happen when you took irelia to rank and went 1-7-0 alot worst then kennen played going 4-12-7

MonkeyMadness12 votes

Did you happen to see the KDAs of the rest of the team? That was a classic case of one lane feeding so bad that when we grouped up to deal with it, we simple could not contest. Another complication in that particular game was that the enemy jungler got fed off of the shit bot lane, as well, and made short work of the rest of us (as graves often does). Also, by the end of that game, we had resorted to simply throwing ourselves at the enemy in a vain attempt to pad our abysmal KDAs (obviously I failed).

However, and this is far more important, YOU MISSED THE POINT BY 110%. Feeding is not the issue here, though feeding by boosted players is a legitimate issue. The problem that I have with this particular player that you identified as kennen (also I would kindly ask that you avoid posting information that can be used to identify players in my games that I deliberately attempted to keep anonymous) is that he/she criticized me for taking ranked seriously. It is the mentality that I find damaging to the game more so than the "feeding". In fact, I do not believe that this player intentionally fed. I only ever accused him/her of not taking the game seriously enough, and forcing our team to suffer for it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

{quoted}

Did you happen to see the KDAs of the rest of the team? That was a classic case of one lane feeding so bad that when we grouped up to deal with it, we simple could not contest. Another complication in that particular game was that the enemy jungler got fed off of the shit bot lane, as well, and made short work of the rest of us (as graves often does). Also, by the end of that game, we had resorted to simply throwing ourselves at the enemy in a vain attempt to pad our abysmal KDAs (obviously I failed).

However, and this is far more important, YOU MISSED THE POINT BY 110%. Feeding is not the issue here, though feeding by boosted players is a legitimate issue. The problem that I have with this particular player that you identified as kennen (also I would kindly ask that you avoid posting information that can be used to identify players in my games that I deliberately attempted to keep anonymous) is that he/she criticized me for taking ranked seriously. It is the mentality that I find damaging to the game more so than the "feeding". In fact, I do not believe that this player intentionally fed. I only ever accused him/her of not taking the game seriously enough, and forcing our team to suffer for it.

the information is public through match history... im not naming players names.

2ndly did he criticized you for being to serious after you went off in chat at the end of the game? was it before you told him if he wasnt gonna take it serious he shouldnt play? by trying to enforce your mindset upon him?

and the other game you blame bot lane... see the one constant thing is you never take any responsibility for your actions its always justified by someone else doing something you dont agree with. the player you dont want me to mention didnt feed or troll or anything else it wasnt til the game was over you had the conflict im sure by this happening you were flaming in chat at end of game and he told you not to take it seriously. that its just a game.

MonkeyMadness7 votes

The only mindset we (the entire team, not just me) were trying to force on him was that this was a team game and that if he didn't want to treat it as such, he should not be playing ranked. He then responded with the quoted text above.

And again with the self-righteousness. You have a 2 game sample size, and you just said

the one constant thing is you never take any responsibility for your actions

Constant. Over 2 games. LOL. Please stop.

Also, if you think that there aren't MANY games won and lost solely on the poor play of a single person, you have not been playing this game long enough. And before you continue on your utterly self-righteous rampage and say "there's always something you could have done to win the game", no, there simply was not. It was just one of those games. We had a terrible bot lane. Maybe it was a bad game for them, but the fact remains: those two players ultimately caused us to lose. It's just a fact. They probably felt bad about it, I know that when my mistakes causes losses I feel bad, but that doesn't take away from the fact that a single person can cause the whole team to lose. It helps no one to take the stance that you currently are trying to force on me. There was nothing I could have done. Better to chalk that up to bad luck than to over-analyze it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

you are basing your entire post and rant on this person's 1 game with them.. and you are criticizing me for going off of your last two games?

I Like Things 4 votes

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#Every MrFawknSunshine Post ^

Granted, he does have a certain heir of intelligence .. it's just that he always tries to argue from stances that simply aren't worth arguing from.

Quality post OP, you got my +1.

Spaceman5pff4 votes

Don't let MrFawknSunshine trigger you.

Every thread he goes to, all he does is troll people and try to get reactions out of them. It's sad, really.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

how am i trolling him?

Spaceman5pff3 votes

Same as you do everybody else.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

not trolling any one, i troll cuz i have a different point of view and say that the game is meant to be taken as fun cuz its a GAME .. that is trolling ? you sir have no clue what a troll is

Spaceman5pff4 votes

The content of your agrument is not the issue.

This argument itself is not the issue.

The issue is that the entire purpose of your presence on these boards is to piss people off. You have made it your mission for reasons unbeknownst to me. And think I speak for lots of users when I say it is not appreciated.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votes

i have not said one toxic, verbally abusive thing to this poster. im not doing anything intentionally to piss any one off. and if i was doing so in the short time i have been on the boards why do i get so many damn upvotes?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

{quoted}

Think of it this way. The fact that your name is recognized without being popular in Memes & Games is a bad thing.

how is it bad to recongnized ?

RipShesDeadScrub2 votes

if it was as bad as you say, what makes you think having kennen in fights will help? only delaying the game at that point will help and pray they don't take barons or elders. Also "feeding" is kind of an issue, it propells the enemy team to win more fights cause of gold advantage and push objectives, objectives are priority in league, gold just significantly aids you in getting those objectives.

AsphodelNext3 votes

Mainly the all caps, the cursing, and triple question marks. Like, whether or not he raged in game, he's raging now. He also said enraging.

Galaqy14 votes

I feel like you are one of those guys who smash their keyboard if they get outplayed or ganked in lane.

It Hertz When IP12 votes

Maybe your midlaner can trade places with the tryhards I have to deal with in normals.

Chamuel859 votes

I can't seriously comprehend people who take this game seriously, even in Ranked. It is just a game.

No Yellow Norco5 votes

Some people take everything they do seriously. I literally try to win in this game as hard as I tried to win while playing college football. It's a completely different effort, sure. Some people play to win. It's that simple really. I don't even think most of us (at least me) necessarily mind losing, either. It's just that it's extremely annoying losing because of trollos that couldn't care less.

I don't know if you've ever played sports. But if you did, would you care if a teammate intentionally lost the game for you and said, "lelz it's just a game bro"?

MonkeyMadness5 votes

THANK YOU!

I have tried to make this connection before, but most of these "hardcore gamers" (ie un-athletic neckbeards) have absolutely 0 concept of how real sports work. I played football in highschool, and if anyone got even the slightest whiff of this "it's only a game" attitude, they would be benched IMMEDIATELY and shunned by virtually the entire team. Somehow, people in this game think that having fun and playing to win are mutually exclusive. Playing to win (ie playing seriously) is still fun, even if you lose. It's just a difference in mentality.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo6 votes

i competed in 3 varsity sports in highschool 3 years varsity football , wrestling and powerlifting. i also played 2 seasons semi pro rugby.

guess what those were all games too.

MonkeyMadness4 votes

Bet your teammates liked you. Unless, of course, you kept that attitude to yourself, which is the next best thing to actually taking it seriously. And stop systematically going through and downvoting posts that you don't like. That is entirely childish.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo6 votes

i never said i didnt play to win... that i didnt try... you are assuming that i dont cuz i said they were all GAMES

and you make the assumption that i am systematically down voting you. maybe its not me. maybe i do downvote things i dont agree with but for you to think you are important enough to "systematically down vote you " is thinking highly of yourself.

MonkeyMadness3 votes

Trying to win is different from taking it seriously. I try to win in normal games, but I definitely don't take them seriously. Losing a normal game is whatever. Losing a ranked game bothers me. I accept the fact that it will happen, but it still bothers me, because I take ranked seriously.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

{quoted}

Trying to win is different from taking it seriously. I try to win in normal games, but I definitely don't take them seriously. Losing a normal game is whatever. Losing a ranked game bothers me. I accept the fact that it will happen, but it still bothers me, because I take ranked seriously.

well you have the right to take it seriously and the other player has the right not to. for you to say he is wrong isnt true just cuz you dont agree with his mindset

MonkeyMadness4 votes

Actually no, seeing as how the purpose of ranked is to take the game seriously. That's why it is a separate queue and a separate ladder from normals.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votes

actually yes, every one has their own right on how seriously or nonseriously they take a game

MonkeyMadness1 votes

Actually no, this is not true. For example, if I only play ranked games to troll, riot WILL inevitably ban me. There is clear precedent for enforcing this mentality on the ranked game mode, not to mention the very definition of ranked/competitive (in terms of queue type) mandates a more serious nature. You don't have the right to disregard the "rules", so to speak, of the queue, nor do you have the right to actively ruin the game for others.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votes

{quoted}

Actually no, this is not true. For example, if I only play ranked games to troll, riot WILL inevitably ban me. There is clear precedent for enforcing this mentality on the ranked game mode, not to mention the very definition of ranked/competitive (in terms of queue type) mandates a more serious nature. You don't have the right to disregard the "rules", so to speak, of the queue, nor do you have the right to actively ruin the game for others.

how is that player trolling ? just cuz he dont take it as seriously as you do

MonkeyMadness1 votes

People do NOT have the right to do anything in this game, technically. Ranked is designed to be a certain way, and if you do not adhere to that mentality, you are actively ruining the game. Done. There is no other correct assessment.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votes

no every one has the right to take the game as serious or nonserious as they want. your just made you lost a game. and that is why youre bitching in this post. you even said if you have won even with the same player you wouldnt of cared.

Chamuel851 votes

Yes, I have played sports. I've played football. I've competed in Karate tournaments. How 'serious' I take it all depends. Am I doing it for recreation? Am I being paid?

Recreation? Could care less. Paid? Might care. I don't know. I haven't been paid for playing sports.

Also, it was more on a comment on the OP being a clueless person with his comment 'I don't fathom' and then complaining about how someone told him how to react to the game... while simultaneously telling people how to react to the game. "Don't tell me how to play this game! I TELL YOU HOW TO PLAY THIS GAME" is how these 'Take ranked seriously!' posts come off as.

zecastar2 votes

{quoted}

Yes, I have played sports. I've played football. I've competed in Karate tournaments. How 'serious' I take it all depends. Am I doing it for recreation? Am I being paid?

Recreation? Could care less. Paid? Might care. I don't know. I haven't been paid for playing sports.

Also, it was more on a comment on the OP being a clueless person with his comment 'I don't fathom' and then complaining about how someone told him how to react to the game... while simultaneously telling people how to react to the game. "Don't tell me how to play this game! I TELL YOU HOW TO PLAY THIS GAME" is how these 'Take ranked seriously!' posts come off as.

It's "couldn't care less". I wish people wouldn't use expressions they don't understand.

Chamuel851 votes

I wasn't using the expression. All you can gather is that I don't care the minimum amount of caring to the maximum amount of caring. From the context, you can gather I care some, but not a lot. I wish people understood that just because you say something close to a colloquialism doesn't mean that's what you meant. I also wish people could understand context.

Also understand that harping on one missed word on something they clearly know what they mean is anything but childishly pedantic.

Keti8 votes

Something tells me you flame the shit out of your teammates and make them play worse. Shit like that will straight up drop you entire tiers. Season 4 I was like that. I got stuck in plat that year. But in seasons 3, 5, and 6 I was easily into diamond. Chill the f out please.

Dessem8 votes

John Wooden says, "When it's over and you look in the mirror, did you do the best that you were capable of? And if you did the best that you were capable of, the score doesn't matter. But I would suspect that if you did the best that you were capable of, you will find the score to your liking."

Losing a game is not the end of the world. Far from it. It's a natural thing to experience at least 45 out of a 100 games, and more likely than not you'll experience it more. Sometimes someone fucks up and he winds up feeding some kills to his opposing laner. Flaming that person won't make them play any better, won't make the game enjoyable, and won't make you win any more likely.

"Calm down, it's just a game" doesn't mean they aren't playing to win, and it doesn't mean they 'don't take the game seriously'. It just means they feel you're taking the game too seriously, which gets in the way of playing to the best of your ability.

devdev4637 votes

The people that try hard too much are far worse than the people who don't try enough imo.

Peoples Champ6 votes

You seriously need to go watch some qtpie videos he gives the best advice. Expect nothing from your team and you will never be let down. Expect nothing and every little thing they do right is already more than you expected.

Draven Wun Trick6 votes

it's fine to take it seriously, but don't be toxic. being toxic is inexcusable no matter how seriously you are taking it. But i do agree, people should not mess around in ranked

MrryZ5 votes

Just because it is designed to be taken seriously doesn't mean it's an excuse to take stress out on other players or be otherwise toxic.

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