AP Ezreal not to be confused with Runeglaive

Divewing··36 votes·5,723 views

I'm getting pretty sick of seeing: HOLY CRAP HUGE DAMAGE ON HIS ULTIMATE AND W, IT'S ALL RUNEGLAIVES FAULT. Everyone who thinks that, do yourself a favour and watch that video. AP ezreal has been chunking like this long before runeglaive. All runeglaive does is cover up some of AP Ez's previous weaknesses (eg low wavelcear without ult)

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ChargeItDownMid31 votes

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Lugg4 votes

This is the correct answer.

LoLKiru8 votes

Honestly I have to wonder if its even worth touching him beyond fixing the stupid bug that makes runeglaive apply on-spell effects.

Even in diamond he can't seem to pass 47% win rate as AP ezreal mid (he's at 45.70% averaged across all ELO's at the moment), and it can't be the LeBlanc situation where he eventually stops contributing much, Ezreal does far more AoE damage than LeBlanc does, and has far lower cooldowns than she did (with slightly less safety due to him not having multiple blinks, as he only has a single blink obviously)

He gives up a summoner spell to take runeglaive, and for what; to have a lower average winrate than when he's played as an ADC?

Lugg4 votes

I am holding off on any requests for nerfs until after next patch. We have to see if the adjustments to runeglaive fix things.

Siyther1 votes

pls dont nerf my ez he is mediocre as an adc and i luv me some ap ez hopefully fixing runeglaive will help but i dont see the problem with it. I mean it takes forever to build to a point where u can do much and shutting him down early is the key ive tried the runeglaive on him and personally i think straight ap is alot better and quicker.ive Always felt that he was much stronger as an ap mage than an adc

Caeler2 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/xZLBvynE-just-a-few-minutes-ago-tsm-won-a-game-with-ruinglaive-ezreal-who-did-immense-damage First sentence:

One Trueshot Barrage cut 2/3 health from full HP Lulu. One Q cut 2/3 HP from Viktor and don't get me started on what damage his W did.

Though this is the only person I've seen actually complaining about runeglaive Ez's W and R damage.

Siyther1 votes

and if it was tsraight ap ez they woulda just died instead ppl complain to much lol

Divewing4 votes

No, but they drop the argument against RG EZ saying: his ult and w deal too much damage. How much damage his ultimate deals has barely any correlation to RG being OP

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

Runeglave allows AP Ezreal to actually push waves and harass safely. Its like the old devourer + Warwick - Warwick isnt OP, but the new itemization makes him super powerful. When you take a champion with a horrible early-mid game but tons of lanegame damage, then introduce an item that mitigates his early-midgame weaknesses, the lategame becomes easier to get to.

Are people complaining about Runeglaive? Not really. The item is decent on most AP junglers. But of course, the junglers arent the ones buying it. Its fine on AP junglers - when it can be used to make AP Ezreal a threat after the first back, then its a problem.

ProfDrDeath3 votes

So, Ezreal is abusing a jungle item again? Where have I heard that one before...

I really hope they just hit that stupid champion this time, instead of making a decent item for everyone else bad.

Shinjusuke2 votes

Ohhhhh, you mean like literally every single goddamn time they release an item Ezreal can use?

Right.

See I thought you might've been not paying attention the last couple years, it'd be silly if you hadn't noticed Ezreal gets nerfed every time one of the on-hit items gets buffed.

Maliginant1 votes

I'm just hoping they change the Magus enchant into a single target version of sheen instead of the aoe that it is now.

Ziovi1 votes

perfect anwser

btw, it seems that the fact that runeglaive procs spell-on effects is a bug and they are going to correct it next patch, so at least his Q + runeglaive won't proc luden's echo anymore

Siyther1 votes

even if they change it not to proc ludens it wont help really who even cares. personally i dont like having zero game for 20 min while i try to build that ludens and runeglaive takes far to long for normal players pro's is diff story it is really only broken in their hands

junglerboy161 votes

that and it allows him to scale harder since it converts his Q to magic damage allowing it to scale harder than before (since it benefits from void staff better now) and it also provides more wave clear. Its basically the best of blue build and AP Ezreal put together.

LoLKiru4 votes

Runeglaive is (in terms of pure damage output) basically a weaker lichbane, but makes up for it with the mana restoration passive and the extra waveclear (or rather it WILL be weaker once they fix the bug with it).

Its funny though that even with runeglaive helping to cover his previous weakness. Ezreal STILL can't pass 50% win rate (currently his mid win rate is 45.7%)

You're entirely correct though; Ezreal always did this much damage (he probably did slightly more to be honest lategame, due to having 40 more AP from lichbane; soon to be 30 after the runeglaive buff)

ProfDrDeath1 votes

Unless it is bugged´, too, he should not get the mana restore against lane minions.

Other than that, spot on.

SatedCancer1 votes

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Unless it is bugged´, too, he should not get the mana restore against lane minions.

Other than that, spot on.

he dont get mana from lane minions only monsters in the jungle.

Vistha Kai1 votes

It's not only damage, but the fact it changes his Q to magic damage, negating basically the only weakness of playing AP Ezreal over AD.

Tsohgder1 votes

Runeglaive converts the physical damage on his Q to magic damage, that makes it deal MORE damage than Lich Bane, a 0,2 AP ratio doesn't make up for 115(+1.1AD)(+0.4AP) being magic damage, because most champions will have about 90 armor and 30-50 MR late-game.

I calculated it a while ago during the PBE testing, Ezreal's Q dealt about 120 more damage with runeglaive, against an Ahri with MR and amor (runes, abyssal and zhonya's), both lvl 18, with 600 AP, void staff and MPen boots.

Even if you don't build Void Staff or boots, the damage will be about the same, it breaks even at lvl 8 with 100 AP.

Runeglaive is actually never "weak". The only problem is the 40 AP, and it will be buffed. It also costs less than a Lich Bane.

I have the excel spreadsheet on the internet, but it's kinda messy and I don't really want to link it lol.

I Miss Cannon3 votes

winrate doesn't say anything with all the lcs kids playing first time smite ezreal mid in ranked

Paress2 votes

What you don't see is that thanks to runeglaive and luden, he's able to farm easier, to handle his lane easier.

So he has a easier access to gold and stuff. So that means he's able to build more AP faster, so that means he's able to deal more damages shorter in the game.

SatedCancer1 votes

That video is the reason i started to main ap ezreal, since i used to adc only and i needed another role but i only really played ezreal and ashe graves and warwick. i needed a mid an ezreal as ap was what i needed :D

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

I just take Sivir Mid. Or Shyvana. Or Shen.

. . . People don't like me. (>_>)

Wumachine1 votes

for obvious reasons

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

I think it's because of my dashing good looks. They just can't stare at me too long. Leona

Anidan1 votes

Hey, if it works :D Though, I did see one person take Warwick mid... that wasn't a pretty lane for Warwick. Not sure if he wanted Top and unfortunately didn't get it or what, but that lane was a painful one to see.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Ya, you really have to know what you're doing when you take a melee into a lane dominated by ranged hard CC. But I do enjoy me a good Zed every now and then.

. . . And by that, I mean sh*tting on him. (He can't ult Shen or Shyvana, Shyvana can out-trade him, and Shen can just ignore his poke).

AFK Push1 votes

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I just take Sivir Mid. Or Shyvana. Or Shen.

. . . People don't like me. (>_>)

Probably because Shyvana and Shen are terrible mids, because they are splitpushers and that has no place for midlane. Not to mention your team doesn't need another tank or bruiser when you probably have one in the top/jung/or support. Your team needs an APC in the midlane, because your team otherwise is lacking that damage for teamfights.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Probably because Shyvana and Shen are terrible mids, because they are splitpushers and that has no place for midlane.

A) Some mid laners can and do split-push. It's not banned. (hi Zed !)

Not to mention your team doesn't need another tank or bruiser when you probably have one in the top/jung/or support.

B) Again, I don't want to suprise you. But. You don't always have a tank in those other positions. (Hi MasterYi , Quinn and Nami !) And sometimes, even mages build tanky. (Hi Lissandra !)

Your team needs an APC in the midlane, because your team otherwise is lacking that damage for teamfights.

C) Both Shen and Shyvana do mixed damage. Shyvana does a lot more. So you're not losing magic damage. Not only that, but magic damage can come from other sources. (Hi Diana , Rumble , KogMaw !)


Normally, I just make the joke and let it collect downvotes. (I actually do run them mid, but I also run others.) But you're post just screams "sheep". Just because the meta favors 1 style of comp and set-up, that doesn't mean others can't work. Change, thought, and calculated risk are how the meta evolves. It's the reason we don't still have ADC's mid with tank+support bot and APC top. It's the reason we no longer favor roaming supports (I see you, Bard). It's the reason we recently made the shift from an "assassin meta" to a "tank meta".

AFK Push1 votes

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A) Some mid laners can and do split-push. It's not banned. (hi Zed !)

B) Again, I don't want to suprise you. But. You don't always have a tank in those other positions. (Hi MasterYi , Quinn and Nami !) And sometimes, even mages build tanky. (Hi Lissandra !)

C) Both Shen and Shyvana do mixed damage. Shyvana does a lot more. So you're not losing magic damage. Not only that, but magic damage can come from other sources. (Hi Diana , Rumble , KogMaw !)


Normally, I just make the joke and let it collect downvotes. (I actually do run them mid, but I also run others.) But you're post just screams "sheep". Just because the meta favors 1 style of comp and set-up, that doesn't mean others can't work. Change, thought, and calculated risk are how the meta evolves. It's the reason we don't still have ADC's mid with tank+support bot and APC top. It's the reason we no longer favor roaming supports (I see you, Bard). It's the reason we recently made the shift from an "assassin meta" to a "tank meta".

Please don't use terms like "sheep" I was just giving points for why people might not like your Shen mid. If your team has a tank top, tank mid, tank supp your adc and jungle carry better be fed, because your team won't have much damage to it. That's all I'm saying, and yes I know the ad assassins mid like Yasuo Talon and especially Zed can splitpush, but they generally only do that when there is no other option (they didn't snowball, or their team is significantly behind). A champion that is practically renowned for their splitpushing like Shyvana would be terrible mid, because it would be so easy to gank if she kept trying to push and that is all somebody like her can do early game in a matchup against a ranged ap. Just giving my two cents.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

. . .terrible mid, because it would be so easy to gank. . .

Actually, one of the primary reasons meta mid laners go mid is because it harder to gank successfully. Top and bottom lane are much longer which makes the laner have to extend farther just to CS. Shyvana is harder to gank successfully in mid lane for the same reasons she hard to gank in top lnae. Only difference is she needs to buy a ward every 3 minutes (which all mid laners should be doing anyways).

AFK Push1 votes

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Actually, one of the primary reasons meta mid laners go mid is because it harder to gank successfully. Top and bottom lane are much longer which makes the laner have to extend farther just to CS. Shyvana is harder to gank successfully in mid lane for the same reasons she hard to gank in top lnae. Only difference is she needs to buy a ward every 3 minutes (which all mid laners should be doing anyways).

A lot of junglers will gank mid more often than top lane. And somebody who pushed by practically running through the wave isn't exactly the best thing for mid lane. Since she will most likely be up against a ranged APC, she will be better off pushing the wave so the enemy midlaner wastes mana just to farm. Doing this will put even more attention on you than top lane shyv cause of it being in the middle of the map, rather than on "the island."

Saianna1 votes

His hair looks.......... wrong. I can't descibe it, but it gives me creeps.

And ofc he's good Ap Ez :)

josh win zZzZ GG1 votes

Ha

The Loveless1 votes

Thank you. So tired of sheep hounding the boards like runeglaive is so great. Ez still doesn't waveclear that fast because runeglaive doesn't offer much damage to secondary targets early on. It's really listens that helps waveclear.

I tried this build for the first time last night and I think I'll stick to other champs...

Flemman1 votes

The fact it's broken atm isn't because of ez ratio, but more because what was the exploitable weakness before just go to dust with this item.

I bet riot will nerf the champ like they have done with ww when he abused the devorer item during preseason

5512021 votes

Now they will nerf Ezreal because of the LCS, Thx guys

Yasuo or GTFO1 votes

I don't know if it's strong or broken or what, personally I feel it's not that strong. But what is annoying, however, is seeing it every god damn game. I'd like to play against something other than AP Ezreal with smite middle for once. Damn sheeple following every League trend.

Cats Are Food1 votes

This is what happens when too many people think they can play like the professionals.

Cats Are Food1 votes

That little dude is pretty funny.

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