Crit chance on junglers.

The Ecdysiast··2 votes·1,671 views

So...

They've always had this issue where they think that the only way to make an attack speed jungle item worth buying is to give it magic damage on-hit. Now they've gone and made it so that item also doubles on-hit affects.

This could easily be solved and balanced if they simply gave the item some critical hit chance instead of either of those things.

Maybe scale it like devourer's, so that it gains chance with each stack, up to thirty.

One main issue of Sated/Feral is that they gave too big a buff to a lot of junglers who wouldn't even consider buying the old AS items, since they were so much worse than Warrior's, Cinderhuk, Ancient Golem, and Elder Lizard.

MasterYi is the only champion with a strong argument that he was better with AS than damage or health, but he also needs critical hit chance to be strong.

Kayle is the only champion in the game who, if she wants to jungle, benefits more from the magic damage than critical hit chance. However, she'd still benefit from critical hit chance, as would anyone else who decides to buy the item.

Every other champion building Devourer's right now, Udyr Skarner XinZhao Aatrox MonkeyKing Jax Vi Gnar Olaf is only doing so because Sated either makes one of their passive abilities apply almost twice as fast, reduces a cooldown a lot, or they simply thrive off being able to use item 3153 item 3074 item 3748 item 3022 item 3508 item 3042 twice as often.

Aside from that, it's easy t build against critical damage, since it's only armor/crit reduction/AS reduction, which are all on the same two items. Against double Bork though, you need sustain, health, and two armor items.

It'd also open up the jungle to quite a few other champions.

11 Comments

Dreadlocks2 votes

At first read i thought this was a stupid idea, but after thinking about it, its simple yet brilliant. +1 lol.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Except that there is literally one main AS jungler that can actually build crit

The Ecdysiast1 votes

No.

The junglers who build AS right now are ONLY doing it because Sated Devourer is broken as hell. Before, they were fine with Cinderhulk or Warrior's.

Aside from making the item balanced, as it wouldn't have the insane ability to make a bunch of the other items proc twice, it'd open up jungler to a lot more champions.

The only champion who legitimately was better off with the old Devourer's instead of Warrior or Cinder was MasterYi, who builds crit chance.

The only "jungler" in the game who's better off with on-hit magic damage instead of crit chance on an attack speed jungle item is Kayle

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Here's the thing: is devourer unbalanced? Maybe, yes, it is sometimes.

But offering a completely different kind of enchantment so that only one champion that builds it now can still use it is idiotic and is not balance in any way, it's a fit over being beaten by someone with devourer (which most likely was due to other causes, not just the jungler).

Warwick built devourer, old devourer. He always builds magic damage on it. Udyr could build devourer or cinderhulk, depending on what his team needed. Yi could build warrior or devourer, depending on if his team needed early game pressure or they could stand for him to farm up in the jungle.

Outside of a couple junglers (Kayle and Vayne), the ones building devourer now still built the old devourer a lot of the time, so it's not because it's "broken as hell", it's because they do well with attack speed

The Ecdysiast1 votes

LIKE I SAID, and you just AGREED with me, anyone building old Devourer was just as good with Cinderhulk or Warrior's.

No, it's NOT because they do well with attack speed. It's because they can get Sated before 20 minutes and have abilities that can be used twice as often with Sated.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

If the junglers don't do well with attack speed, why then did they still build old devourer? And why did they build old feral flare, which gave attack speed? The phantom hit on Sated is just basically a 1 attack AS steroid, it does nothing that high attack speed wouldn't do anyway.

All of the main devourer junglers are called AS junglers because they all do well with high attack speed

The Ecdysiast1 votes

As we both have said, they didn't. Cinderhulk and Warrior's were better. Look at Warwick. The only reason he built old devourer was his own incredibly high sustain.

Are you seriously pretending that the doubled on-hit is the same as building more attack speed? It's not at all. It allows you to forgo attack speed and instead buy tank or damage items. At max attack speed, you literally can't buy anything besides sated devourer to get more on-hit affect applying.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Phantom hit applies on attack modifiers twice. Not damage, not on hit effects. If you had full attack speed, you would deal full damage, on attack, and on hit, all the time.

And no, I never said that they were better with cinderhulk or warrior. I said they could play with those, depending on what the team needed, and do just as well.

And you have also completely ignored my point of all of the main devourer junglers who built the previous versions (both old devourer and Feral flare) still build devourer today. This isn't them picking some OP item, this is them picking an item that they have used previous incarnations of, because it goes well with their kits.

A further point: it's not the extra on hit effects that benefit them (as most of the time, they don't actually proc the effect twice as it never lines up with the phantom hit), its the good attack speed (and the fact that phantom hit adds to counters) that allows them to use whatever part of their kit sooner, which is no different then just getting more attack speed

The Ecdysiast1 votes

MasterYi Tryndamere Shaco Pantheon Jax.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Yes, Yi was the one I was talking about

In what world would a Pantheon jungle take a devourer that only gave crit? He does better with AD Jax doesn't really jungle, and he doesn't really build crit that much, more often he builds a bit of hybrid items, and then bruiser Shaco would do better with the AD from Warrior of the AP from Magus Tyrndamere jungle doesn't exist outside of cheese

Sasogwa2 votes

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MasterYi Tryndamere Shaco Pantheon Jax.

Except crit on Pantheon sucks, and it's really average on Jax. It's "ok" on Shaco

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