Shoves whole wave with E constantly and if you SOMEHOW manage to get in range he uses a 2 second root then runs away with 500 movespeed.
I was playing Nasus but not even fucking Renekton or Darius was this ridiculous to lane against. Ryze was bullying harder than them while outscaling.
God bless my jungler though, if he didnt gank I would have been boned.
ChaddyFantome16 votesHoly shit laning vs Ryze as a melee is awful
What else is new? U should see back when Ryze's Q was a targeted spell. Now THOSE were the days, lol.
RavenMagus4 votesIt's even worse now. Back then he didn't get a huge shield + huge movement speed all the time. (He gets to proc it twice in a row with his current incarnation - push the wave with E spam, then when anything bad happens at all you Q for a shield, then WEQ for a second shield right after.)
ChaddyFantome11 votesIt's even worse now. Back then he didn't get a huge shield + huge movement speed all the time. (He gets to proc it twice in a row with his current incarnation - push the wave with E spam, then when anything bad happens at all you Q for a shield, then WEQ for a second shield right after.)
he pretty much had all of that minus the shields in his Ulti before tho.
IGotScuttleCrabs11 votesBut instead of a shield he had spell vamp I believe
XeroKimo4 votesOnly upon ulting..... which was up like every 30 secs early game and every single second late game
RavenMagus2 votesHis ult gave spell vamp, which isn't quite the same as a massive shield on demand (and maybe not as good?). And while his ult could have a pretty low cooldown in an extended fight, it wasn't low enough to cast twice in a row whenever you want in lane.
ChaddyFantome2 votesHis ult gave spell vamp, which isn't quite the same as a massive shield on demand (and maybe not as good?). And while his ult could have a pretty low cooldown in an extended fight, it wasn't low enough to cast twice in a row whenever you want in lane.
Ah, but it was because of how Ryzes Cooldown resets worked back in the day. Now it's just his Q, but before it was all his spells.
Keepe3 votesAs a player who has played every iteration of Ryze, all I can say is thus.
Let's go! LET'S GO!
Aptest3 votesyou are leaving out the fact that Ryze's old build, sans his tear, was full tank items.
ROA+BV+FH+tear anyone?
Hyrum Graff3 votesHis ult gave spell vamp, which isn't quite the same as a massive shield on demand (and maybe not as good?). And while his ult could have a pretty low cooldown in an extended fight, it wasn't low enough to cast twice in a row whenever you want in lane.
Not as good in a fight, but he could also ult a minion wave to get full hp again
Spoofghoul13 votes
What seems to be the problem?
GULAG 4 U7 votesCan't stop the deadman from walking boi
EndlessSorcerer11 votesA wild enemy Vayne appeared.
Requiemsfire11 votes
are all acceptable early items against mages.
AirKingNeo29 votesExcept Ryze has already zoned you off CS perminately before you buy any of that.
valve nerf pls3 votesExcept Ryze has already zoned you off CS perminately before you buy any of that. Except that Ryze is a mana hungry champion if he spam his abilities all the time he is going to run out of mana quick
The Deckowner7 votesexcept he rushes currupting pot dark seal tear and basically has infinite mana.
BoilTheOil2 voteswhy would he get those he wants to hit his power spike as fast as he can i play ryze a decent amount so i know his build and stuff its start 
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valve nerf pls8 votesExcept Ryze has already zoned you off CS perminately before you buy any of that.
except that ryze is mana hungry champion if he have no mana he is not gonna do anything plus he is easy to gank
AirKingNeo6 votes
LA Losty3 votesExactly, Ryze needs to combo and spam his spells early on to deal dmg, and it uses up ALOT of mana very quickly.
AninLegions7772 votesNot really. If you cs right and not just spamming senselessly, you can get tear and catalyst and destroy your lane
Astôlfo8 votesUh, it doesn't take that much mana just to constantly farm between his autos and E, which permanently pushes you under tower. And all he has to do to avoid ganks is ward appropriately. And if you try even the slightest shit, he'll immediately root/blast you multiple times and then back off, if he feels like going that route. Or just root you and walk off. Also ganks essentially immediately turn into a 1v1 again with his instant root.
Poorly Dressed42 votes5550g early game. Meanwhile he killed you with tear and mana crystal 7 times while you have one Dorans, Boots and a Pink Ward LUL
Jet Sett5 votesRyze will not kill you with nothing but a tear unless you're literally a paper bag. Nasus CAN get that gold to make laning easier, and ranged laners are SUPPOSED to bully melees, that's their advantage.
AninLegions7779 votesWut?! Ryze kills with Tear and Catalyst. What are you even saying? You are probably one of those people maxing Q with Ryze.
theArtifacts2 votesWut?! Ryze kills with Tear and Catalyst. What are you even saying? You are probably one of those people maxing Q with Ryze.
If you knew how to read you would notice he said "Nothing but a tear". You listed two items.
Gosposha sapun1 voteswait, ive been maxing q on ryze. what do i max???
HazyCloud77 votesYou max Q, he's spouting non-sense. If you want further proof go look at the match history for game 2 of the finals yesterday, faker maxed Q.
HazyCloud73 votesYou do realize the best player in the world (faker) maxes Q on Ryze right?
Anyway Ryze can definitely kill you with tear, but it's not going to be 100-0 or even 70-0. It's not like old Ryze where he could literally 1v2 as soon as he had tear + level 6.
ZED G0D6 votesI just got out a game where a yasuo shit all over a ryze mid..Idk, depends on the skill levels of the 2
Maiziea11 votesYea but you can hardly consider Yasuo melee lul.
valve nerf pls4 votesYea but you can hardly consider Yasuo melee lul.
why he is not ranged he needs to get to the enemy face to use his auto-attacks so he is melee genius
ShaolinToilet3 votesDont even try to reason with a circlejerk
Jasiwel3 votesI mean, Yasuo is arguably as strong as, if not stronger, than Ryze right now.
Catastrop6 votesRush to auto win lane.
AirKingNeo18 votesHow? You can't farm because of Ryze.
TurquoiseYoshi9 votesWait until the wave is pushed into your tower/use any long-ranged abilities to pick up a few CS? Just because you're at a disadvantage doesn't mean you should have 0 CS.
AirKingNeo8 votesNo, instead you're at a 30 cs disvantage and he's ranged.
ShaolinToilet1 votesRyze loses vs all melee champs except for ekko, Darius, and poppy. If you can't win with champs other than those three then ryze is just better than you.
AirKingNeo4 votesRyze beats all melee champions. How does not beat Jax?
Keepe6 votesSee, here's the thing about Ryze. He has an excellent 1v1 set up. However, thanks to the sheer unreliability of his empowered Q in teamfights, he is weak unless he manages to get past the front line and isolate the carries.
Stars Shaper1 votesThe thing is, if he wants to have such easiness in bursting down 1 poor guy (with point&clicks mostly) you can't give him waveclear too.
Keepe5 votesBut because he excels at fighting the ONE individual, he suffers when fighting more. This hurts both Ryze as well as his own team because it makes it so difficult for him to actually do his job. He is BARELY considered mobile, with his ult (counting mobile in the game sense, meaning dashes, blinks, jumps, etc), and when push comes to shove he is somewhat lacking in the contribution for the team.
This is the problem. When it comes to fighting in 1v1, he has an upperhand that will make or break the lane.
Once he's needed for the team, he becomes unable to function nearly as well unless some ADC is stupid and gets caught out.
How would you consider changing him into something that offers more counterplay in lane without just straight up making him a punishment to both you and your team to play as?
Darkeus2 votesI have noticed this too. Ryze falls off late game. The only good he does in team fights is when an enemy gets zoned off and he can wreck them.
Nr 9034 votesRyze is bullsh*t to lane against or even play against, as long as he has range advantage. I played Sivir mid (Yes, I actually really like playing Sivir mid) against a Ryze... He had slightly more range than me and it was a pain. I couldn't even get close to last hit caster minions. When I stayed behind allied minions so he wouldn't be able to Q, he just spammed E on minions and then hit Q -> BOOOM AOE Q damage.
valve nerf pls6 votes[{quoted}](name=Nr 903,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sbvmNMy9,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-10-30T10:46:33.789+0000)
Ryze is bullsh*t to lane against or even play against, as long as he has range advantage. I played Sivir mid (Yes, I actually really like playing Sivir mid) against a Ryze... He had slightly more range than me and it was a pain. I couldn't even get close to last hit caster minions. When I stayed behind allied minions so he wouldn't be able to Q, he just spammed E on minions and then hit Q -> BOOOM AOE Q damage.
you know that ryze can run out of mana rigth? plus if you are playing sivir at least use you shield to block his spells genius
Cosmic Warper2 votes[{quoted}](name=Nr 903,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sbvmNMy9,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-10-30T10:46:33.789+0000)
Ryze is bullsh*t to lane against or even play against, as long as he has range advantage. I played Sivir mid (Yes, I actually really like playing Sivir mid) against a Ryze... He had slightly more range than me and it was a pain. I couldn't even get close to last hit caster minions. When I stayed behind allied minions so he wouldn't be able to Q, he just spammed E on minions and then hit Q -> BOOOM AOE Q damage.
You're playing sivir mid
You have a damn spellshield, use it.
Lupxel the 4th3 votesMy only suggestion is that the enemies should be able to see the stacks for the shield
BakedLotion4 votes[{quoted}](name=Lupxel the 4th,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sbvmNMy9,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-10-30T11:16:50.159+0000)
My only suggestion is that the enemies should be able to see the stacks for the shield
You already can
