So now that Assassins have been hit, who's loving the power behind the ADC role?

Dreadlocks·Jun 9, 2017·15 votes·1,216 views

Can't say i didn't see this coming lol.

So... About that "delayed burst - counter play"

33 Comments

Big LincolnJun 9, 201716 votes

time to add delayed dps

DreadlocksJun 9, 20171 votes

Lol right

DoozkuJun 9, 20179 votes

3 hit passive?

StaliniumJun 9, 20174 votes

It's a four-hit passive :( Talon

SomeStarsJun 9, 20171 votes

i know shes not quite an assassin though but

five-hit passive!!!!! Annie

Big LincolnJun 9, 20172 votes

five* Darius

Critmaster GarenJun 9, 20173 votes

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time to add delayed dps

it already exist for everyone else but marksmen Darius

strangely enough, only other classes follow these rules.

adc are allowed to constantly break the design rules riot sets for everything else. theyre supposed to be susceptible to burst? nah, lets give them a bunch of items that negate this weakness, give every other class delayed burst, while adc are allowed to 2 shot you with critical strikes or just obscene abilities, while at the same time they get more and more inbuilt utility, and also beat you in sustained damage races due to obscene amounts of lifesteal.

but dont forget that taking too long to win fights isnt fun, so they also get multiple forms of resistance shredding to kill tanks and fighters before you can strain your right mouse button too much.

getting killed when fucking up and being out of position isnt fun, so we also put more self peel into their kits.

Chembaron YamadaJun 9, 20173 votes

You are acting like assassins are the only role with the job of dealing with squishy key targets. Divers and burst mages are doing the job as well. I didn't really notice a difference in power from ADCs.

DreadlocksJun 9, 20175 votes

Maybe, maaaybe but maybeee some assassins are no longer classified as assassins and theyre doing the job? The assassin as a class was already small, now it's even smaller.

Voluug13Jun 9, 20174 votes

Ranged assassins were always cancer and we all know it. Ahri still is, and LB was worse.

Rengar also needed to stop being an assassin because holy shit was stealth nukecat unbalanceable and terrible.

I agree that ADCs are too strong rn, but considering that mages simply are inviable the moment assassins are strong, I cant really seem to give a damn about assassins as long as many have such design problems as Zed Fizz .

ShablagooJun 9, 20172 votes

Mages arent inviable when assassins are strong man, i dont get this if you look mid lane the same mages have been at the top forever. Rengar was strong when fed, but what isnt i dont get this argument like rengar.

Troll for TrumpJun 9, 20173 votes

The problem with assassins is that people, because there are a TON of ADC mains, think that an assassin's very key identity is toxic to the game.

Because you aren't allowed to have a class designated to killing carries.

It's like rock paper scissors. ADCs think assassins are unfair, Tanks think ADCs are unfair, assassins think Tanky champs are unfair

DreadlocksJun 9, 20172 votes

I agree to an extent.. I think the issue is: Too many people want the game to be easier rather than putting the time and effort in to actually getting better..

People still think Yasuo is OP as hell.. And i just cant wrap my mind around it. So many champions have counters and ways to be dealt with but instead of learning them riot makes the issues disappear completely.

People say Rengar didn't have any counters "1shot from stealth op" But let me tell you how fkn hard it was to do that job vs someone like Janna Now im not saying this should or shouldn't be the only counter play to rengar.. but if given the opportunity to pick or buy something to counter him.. people didn't they would rather keep doing their auto-pilot builds/picks and bitch.

6SfoolJun 9, 20172 votes

I love that they give assassins more reason to properly set up and execute delayed combos, but that change should have been followed by a pass for burst mages (which is an entire class based on cancerous design) and should have reworked sustain too. Now Burst mages are the best assassins and ADC's can sustain through anything, unless they are under GW arbitrarily and then they can't lifesteal at all.

DreadlocksJun 9, 20171 votes

GD man there are like 3 ppl here who actually agree with me that burst mages are stupid. When ever i made an argument comparing burst mages to assassins i was shamed for it. But its nice to know that others at least see my side to it.

Athenes LuluJun 9, 20172 votes

meanwhile mages can do the same shit with usually longer range and cc lol

DreadlocksJun 9, 20171 votes

Oh i know, and the argument is either "just dodge the CC spell" or.. "yeah but they didn't do it from stealth" okay? But the assassin bursts 1 person.. While an annie/velkoz etc bursts half the team.

MizayaJun 9, 20172 votes

ADCs themselves are fine damage wise, assassins seem weak though and ADCs additionally have too much peel and sustain to work with it seems. It's a natural result of all the damage nerfs we've seen and nerfs to assassin items when in reality, they could have just buffed the crit items much earlier and not hit assassin itemization quite as hard, those items are quite weak now.

DreadlocksJun 9, 20171 votes

yeah they are.

Critmaster GarenJun 10, 20171 votes

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ADCs themselves are fine damage wise, assassins seem weak though and ADCs additionally have too much peel and sustain to work with it seems. It's a natural result of all the damage nerfs we've seen and nerfs to assassin items when in reality, they could have just buffed the crit items much earlier and not hit assassin itemization quite as hard, those items are quite weak now.

what damage nerfs? lol.

they havent recived any damage nerfs or nerfs to ad items. with the marksmen rework some of the stats on their items got nerfed, because they did crazy shit like with MissFortune and ramped up their scalings into the absurd. (compare the damage of her ult and q to what it was), which they then later reverted.

from there on adc items only got buffed further. the only nerfs that happened was to lethality itemization, which wasnt even targeted at adc, but abused by them.

JorenciceJun 9, 20171 votes

Full AP amumu and Cho can still 1 shot ADCs.

Chos slightly harder since you HAVE to hit your Q.

DreadlocksJun 9, 20176 votes

Oh I know there are a lot of non assassin champions who can still 1 shot lol but I think talon and khazix are the only big 1 shotters left. Maybe zed? But not as iconic

Id say assassins are more feast or famine than before because if they dont get a lead, they just build like a diver.

Lady HammerlockJun 10, 20171 votes

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Oh I know there are a lot of non assassin champions who can still 1 shot lol but I think talon and khazix are the only big 1 shotters left. Maybe zed? But not as iconic

Id say assassins are more feast or famine than before because if they dont get a lead, they just build like a diver.

Pretty sure Zed would fit into the delayed category because of his ult

DreadlocksJun 10, 20171 votes

Yeah but he's still capable of killing people in 1 rotation w.o ult :)

KitSun9Jun 10, 20171 votes

True but, Honestly to me he's still kinda the poster bot for balance as an assassin. Let me explain, one his main burst is delayed for 2 seconds, much of his dmg is also limited to landing a skillshot that gets reduced dmg if passing through something else and a decently long cooldown mobility. I mean you get rewarded for being good and really, really, punished for being bad. Zed says-hi

DreadlocksJun 10, 20171 votes

I'm not going to disagree with you at all. But riot had MONTHS to fix the assassins in the update, and instead Rengar is a Diver now (despite knowing assassins tend to have a way out by class) and who even knows what Leblanc is anymore..

KitSun9Jun 11, 20172 votes

Rengar.... RIP KNIFECAT 2K17. Leblanc.... Only the Eldritch Horrors know anymore....

LightthesourceJun 9, 20171 votes

I mean the problem now is adc does so little damage to tanks but if you get taunted by galio you're dead :/

DreadlocksJun 9, 20171 votes

What are you talking about lol.

Scary DoorJun 10, 20171 votes

I don't know, Fizz seems to be blowing people up just fine. Akali seems to be able to melt squishies as intended.

As for LeBlanc, sure, she's in a bad state right now and Kat is very marginal. Both are probably in need of readjustment-.

If they're still calling Rengar an assassin then I'll also agree that he doesn't fit that paradigm either, but it seems Riot has gone out of their way to remove him from that class.