@Riot: I restarted the queue after 13 mins and got a game in 2 seconds..

Because you took Support

Riot already said this is a bug and they're planning on fixing it this patch.

Basically, the system is putting together groups of 10 players. But once it starts making a group, that's a group, and it will only add players to that group who are just entering the queue.

So if you have a group of 9 that needs an adc, and a group of 9 that needs a support that are both at the same elo, if it were coded differently the system could take the support from the first group, move them to the second group, and the 2nd group's queue will pop. But instead both groups just sit around waiting for someone new to queue for adc or support.

Here's the real problem, though: say an adc & support duo start looking for a group. If it could swap between groups like above, then there's be an open botlane to put the duo in. But since it can't, it starts another group.

Basically what this means is that queueing as a premade forces the creation of a new group quite a bit, and you end up with a lot of groups waiting for different people, that could all be full if they swapped around, but as it is are stuck waiting for solos in specific roles.

Say you're the support in the first group. When you leave the queue and rejoin, the system isn't that dumb; instead of putting you back where you were, it'll put you in the group that needs a support to start, and you get an instant queue.

Always restart the queue after 7 minutes. Typically, you will find games within a couple minutes.

This has been an issue for a long time. Unless you are plat or above, queue times should never be above 10 minutes. If you go past 10 mins, just restart the queue.

Because it's a damn bug. Nobody gets it, and threads about 'long queue times' just keep coming up.

Queues don't take longer than 4-5 minutes. Just restart for a quick queue.

This actually happens to me as well.

hmm

found some new info in this thread. longest queue I've seen was 22 minutes...in around Silver 3-4.

It still takes me average 8-10 minutes to find a game. I'll try re queue at 3+ minutes from now on

I thought it's well-known that the system is bugged as fuck and everyone knows this exist?

The queue is screwy sometimes. If I go over 5 minutes I always restart queue.

When you disconnect from PVP.net, it keeps you in the que but no longer looking for a game. This happens a lot to me, and their suggestion was to disable IP Helper. DIsabling IP Helper didn't help me, but opening the ports did as my ISP sometimes throttled me for anything but YouTube.

If you want to know how to do that, just que in a wrenchman or go to the support page.

It happens because the algorithm for matchmaking if really awful. A Rioter explained it at one point.

Basically, when someone joins the queue, it assigns them to a game being constructed. It then has to wait for people of the appropriate MMR to fill the remaining slots. Those games will often also have premade groups in them, so it has to wait for a premade group of roughly equal skill to place on the other team (since it's supposed to match premades with premades.)

The problem comes from the fact that players are assigned to a single game when they join the queue, which potentially might not see players for a very long time. Imagine that you queue up and get placed as the single player in a team of 4. That game is going to take forever to get made, because it has to find another team of four of similar MMR to complete it, even though there are tons of other solo players or smaller groups entering the queue.

The logical algorithm would be to look at all of the players in the queue once a second, starting with the ones who have been in the queue longest (and starting with their primary role), and trying to build a game out of those players in real time, based on MMR. That would be much more computation than the current method, of course, but it would be possible to optimise the algorithm by having various separate queues based on rough MMR brackets and then only needing to processes those independently. With such an algorithm, the queue would pop pretty much immediately as soon as enough suitable players were in the queue, and no one would get stuck waiting forever.

My mind boggles at how they were able to come up with the actual algorithm used, though.

The queue is bugged to death. Just re-queue if the queue lasts for more than 5min. I usually re-queue after 2-3min and it works.

The biggest issue is most premades don't pick support so queues are really filled with people queueing as mid/top/jung/bot but not enough supports to even it out.

ur a lucky dude man, i restarted my queue at 44minutes i tought it was bugged you know... then i queued back took me 53 minutes to find a game

Has happened to me a few times as well.

Lyte was the only one that could dive into the spaghetti code of dynamic queue... and... he left. ARghghgthgghghhhh.

My favorite is when im in queue for less than 30 seconds and yet get placed in my secondary role. If the system doesn't prioritize your primary role before your secondary why even have them labled as primary/secondary?

I think it's a bug?? One time I was waiting for queue and I sorta spaced out and took a nap, woke up i was STILL in queue for like almost 40 min. Re-queued, took 15 seconds to find a match for the exact same roles!! wtf??

Yeah, it does this all the time. It seems to occur most frequently if a queue pops and is declined or if someone dodges from lobby. In other words, it seems to have a problem with putting you back into queue.

If the timer goes over the estimated wait time by 30 seconds, I drop and requeue. It works literally every time.

Because rebooting solves EVERYTHING.

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