@Riot you have a tab for Summoner Spells but we can't have ITEM sets?

Dreadlocks·Nov 27, 2016·138 votes·2,433 views

Am I the only one that thinks this is dumb af? Every time i find a champion i like to play frequently i like to have an item set to match my play style and not the crappy one riot gives us.

Edit: People are saying the Summoner Spell page is useful for new players because they can view them all in client and not have to google for them, well, if thats the case; riot should have another tab for items. Right now there is no way for us to view league's items in client. You have to start a game to view them, which you could also do for summoner spells. I don't see how a Summoner Spells tab wins in priority here.

92 Comments

Handy Sandy Nov 27, 201622 votes

omg ikr telling me to build some item 3165 on Veigar but im going support

nvm ima just buy it and report this toxic adc telling me to buy some "sightstone", like what even is that?

An Undead bratNov 27, 20165 votes

Zyra MID main here

:')

Handy Sandy Nov 27, 20161 votes

Zyra mid is actually so strong, more people should use her mid. If she's doing a bunch of damage as a support to be an actual threat, imagine how strong she's going to be with 500+ AP

An Undead bratNov 27, 20162 votes

Shhhh! Don't tell them!

GULAG 4 UNov 27, 20161 votes

Y tf would you pick veigod sup in the first place???

Blackstone01Nov 27, 20161 votes

Because you can Q farm a bit with targon's, do good burst, your E is really strong, and lots of kills occur in bot lane.

MarshbouyNov 27, 201621 votes

the summoner spells tab is pretty helpful for new players, i know it was massive help to my pre level 15 noobiness. EDIT: i still think the game should have item sets. leave me alone.

DreadlocksNov 27, 20168 votes

Try using google -_- You can't google your item sets =[

RogueWillNov 27, 20168 votes

you can google it. Is called mobafire lol xD

DreadlocksNov 27, 201617 votes

But you cant inject them into the client -_-

RogueWillNov 27, 20166 votes

neither can you by googling the summoner spells without the spells tab lol I mean you can always tab out, 40 sec is a loooong time

DreadlocksNov 27, 201611 votes

You're right, it makes more sense to have a tab listing summoner spells than having in game item sets.

RogueWillNov 27, 20167 votes

the point you gave about not needing the summoner spell tab was: " Try using google -_- " I used your same arguments against your item sets.

To the record I loved the item sets but usually was for my favorite champions that I don't play as often (because I'm bad at them). The champions I play regularly I have no issues finding the items even thou they are rarely on the recommended items. But if you want to give an opinion at least make it coherent so it doesn't crumble like a cookie

DreadlocksNov 27, 201614 votes

I'm sorry that you don't understand the purpose of the items sets. Its not that it gives you new items in game. It makes it so you can actually have set up the items you wish to build on a certain champion, and not have to dig through to find it. Well hmm, why would i even bother to explain this to someone who thinks prioritizing a tab for summoner spells is of more value than having custom made item sets. :) Good Day Ma'am.

RogueWillNov 27, 20167 votes

You don't understand the work over value ratio, the amount of time needed to code said thing and the benefit it will provide, the amount of time needed to code the summoner spell tab is practically non-existing so it gives it a more value/time ratio and thus ends up being prioritized and gains more value....is that concept too big for you?

DreadlocksNov 27, 201612 votes

It was already made, your reasoning is flawed. Are you too dumb to understand this? Probably. Cy@

OyddAWqJ5rNov 27, 20167 votes

He was saying the summoner tab is outside the in-game client and thus the information it provides doesn't reflect in game (other than hovering over your summoners--which has nothing to do with the tab) in response to you trying to relate the SS tab (an out of game feature) to Item Sets (both an in game and out of game feature). He made a joke on the correlation between the two. A joke you and ~6 others didn't get. A joke you all still don't get 3 replies later.

Then after you harassed him over a joke like a complete asshat (note this joke was obvious as hell) he then told you a realistic reasoning (nonjoke) of why a SS tab would be implemented over an Item Set tab which made total and complete sense given it's in line with everything Riot has ever told us regarding such an implementation into the new client. And yet you still claim his reasoning, Riot's reasoning, is flawed.

So plz stop taking things directly to your butt and should you wish to absorb everything as hatred towards your butt then please rebuttle with a little research and common knowledge before acting like and looking like an ass.

Thank you.

Mr NoggenfoggerNov 27, 20163 votes

Give this man a medal. The entire reason item sets aren't going to be available when the client launches is because of how long it would take to code it.

XonraNov 27, 20164 votes

"The time needed to code" It is already there <_<

I haven't clicked on the summoner spells tab past that one time I did it wondering what it was there for, then rolled my eyes and thought to myself "why is this even here?" and moved on.

OyddAWqJ5rNov 27, 20162 votes

It's not just there it's trapped in the old client. And due to super old client spaghetti code they can't just take the current item set feature from the old client and copy paste to the new one.

Gets a little complicated on the coding level especially going from a dinosaur model.

XonraNov 27, 20164 votes

It is still on the old client, which you can still use (which I am doing, as are many others, as the new client has stability issues, lag issues, bugs, etc.).

It is still there.

as someone who has a degree related to coding (software engineering), I can tell you that is isn't going to be that hard to take the code from one client and move it to the other. There are specific changes that would need to be made obviously, but it isn't as if they have to do it from scratch.

It really isn't all that complicated when you've already done it once.

Sraeg2013Nov 27, 20161 votes

Doesn't matter what you'll tell them, they are incapable of reasoning beyond "But iz duh new client".

RogueWillNov 27, 20162 votes

I'm related to the field as well, problem lies weather the original coders left enough comments on the code to made if modifiable. I know for a fact that programmers don't like to leave out comments explaining every little detail of the code due to the amount of extra time needed to do it but on a non-proper documented code the amount of time needed to modify it can easily rack up to similar times of doing it from scratch due to the stupid amount of bugs and errors you get.

Modifying a 50 lines code like what you do in University is way easier to find everything on it than on a code several pages long. I did SQL coding for some time and left it because usually took several days to find the problems (that usually took about 2 hours to fix until the bugs starting appearing) due to the code the company was using was around 10 years old, built on top of itself whenever some new necessity appeared and bad documented due to the guy in charge of it was in charge for 5 years and was the only one that would modify it. When the company expanded 3 junior programmers were hired (myself included) and the old guy retired soon after. The system was so badly documented that they decided it was easier to migrate to a different client, I moved from departments to the Environmental Area so I'm sure what became after they migrated the whole system but considering I just saw an opening for a "Manual Writer" on the software area I woudl say the new programmers still aren't documenting the code as they should.

OyddAWqJ5rNov 28, 20161 votes

They built it in the client meaning the coding is entirely related to the old client. The new client probably reads entirely different in order to streamline coding and thus the coding used in the previous version is obsolete in the new one.

Btw congratulations on the degree in software engineering, welcome to the club :p

notice me Sin piNov 27, 20161 votes

the problem is that true new players dont know what keywords they should use for googling

DreadlocksNov 27, 20161 votes

The problem is that they deem it MORE important than item sets. IDC if they keep it, but why would they discard item sets...

DreadlocksNov 27, 20161 votes

I mean.. if you can't google "summoner spells" Then i could make the argument new players should have a tab for "items" too, right now there is no in client way to view leagues massive amount of items, without starting a game.

notice me Sin piNov 27, 20161 votes

true new players that i was talking about should be completely fine(?) with Ashe item 3075 but if u r talking about general new players, i agree

XonraNov 27, 20164 votes

So it is helpful for maybe a month, but useless for years.

Yet item sets are useful...the end. Sure recommended items are good when you first start, but item sets are almost always going to be better as the suggested items are flat out terrible sometimes. There are multiple times maybe 1 item out of the suggested makes any sense to buy on a normal basis.

the summoner spells tab seems like a waste of space to me personally.

MarshbouyNov 27, 20164 votes

I made no comment on item sets. You guys got really triggered over absolutely nothing.