Kayle was supposed to be a hybrid champion

doublelift fg·Jun 22, 2015·12 votes·1,158 views

Since her rework she was either full AD or full AP

revert the rework, before she successed with

30 Comments

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

dude http://gyazo.com/4c66dac393f24b78eebaad5a7fe77ffe you play kayle wrong. this is plat 2 promos skipping to plat 1. my entire team was feeding i carried them all.

doublelift fgJun 22, 20159 votes

like i said, full ap

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

man oh man you arent too bright

doublelift fgJun 22, 20154 votes

???

Photos of GhostsJun 22, 20152 votes

Or are you.

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

when you get to diamond come to talk to me but uh you'll probably stuck in bronze even though all the kids on that server are ragers and easy to beat/tilt.

doublelift fgJun 22, 20153 votes

when you grow up in mind, you can come on board before just go to the school

Chaotic ReksJun 22, 20152 votes

you're only gold 4 and your last game was 5 months ago, why are you talking shit? nice 125 wins btw

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

yeah now go tell everyone that a high elo player just added you

The LexerJun 22, 20151 votes

The word "probably" just ruined that sentence.

Photos of GhostsJun 23, 20151 votes

Because everyone is necessarily frustrated like you about not being diamond amirite

ProvengreilJun 22, 20153 votes

That's...not hybrid at all.

item 3250 Attack speed item 3115 Attack speed, AP, CDR, extra ratio to autos item 3157 Armor, AP, Zhonyas active item 3085 Attack speed, passive bolts item 3285 AP, ludens procs item 3089 AP and magnifier

Where's the AD? AS is to proc your passive and E as many times as possible, but that doesn't hybridize your damage. this is a typical AP Kayle build. Not calling it bad, it just isn't hybrid.

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

its hybrid kayle. Ap is full ap. full ad is full ad. Attackspeed with ap is hybrid. attack speed with ad is hybrid. You are like saying your hybrid car only runs on gas when you have 2 solar panels on top that are used for your radio

ProvengreilJun 22, 20156 votes

not by the definitions that anyone else in the game uses. Ignoring effectiveness, build order, etc, a hybrid build looks something like this:

item 3277 item 3078 item 3072 item 3124 item 3146 item 3115

DJ Di0Jun 22, 20151 votes

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dude http://gyazo.com/4c66dac393f24b78eebaad5a7fe77ffe you play kayle wrong. this is plat 2 promos skipping to plat 1. my entire team was feeding i carried them all.

His point is that you can't build Hybrid like she was meant to be; because Hybrid itemization sucks, not because she's a bad champion (though there's no denying she needs buffs).

The LovelessJun 22, 20153 votes

bought 1 ward....

-_-

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

cool? still better than you and 99% of the community :D

RebonackJun 22, 20151 votes

Quite a few champions were meant to be hybrid, but Riot hasn't ever released any items that provide sufficient incentive to build hybrid.

Maybe if Rageblade had a version of Kayle's old Innate?

Basically, hybrid needs some kind of stat multiplication to be viable.

doublelift fgJun 22, 20151 votes

i agree, but before Hybrid itemization was bad (except gunblade) and she was still played as a hybrid champion. it's just that since the rework AD offers Dps and AP burst and when one is stronger you just play this build, i think when building both you should have one of them.

Meep ManJun 22, 20151 votes

Hybrid will almost never happen since it usually provides high hybrid damage that is extremely hard to counter. Imagine a Jax, but he dealt even higher magic damage. Thats what a good hybrid champion would look like.

doublelift fgJun 22, 20151 votes

that would be the strength of a hybrid champion, you could balance it with weakness in gameplay and by the way, there are items which counter hybrid damage

item 3026 item 3190

RebonackJun 22, 20152 votes

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Hybrid will almost never happen since it usually provides high hybrid damage that is extremely hard to counter. Imagine a Jax, but he dealt even higher magic damage. Thats what a good hybrid champion would look like.

I hear there's a stat that provides equal defense against magic, physical, AND true damage.

I think it's called HP?

While you may not be able to stack one mitigation type against hybrid damage, what mitigation you DO get is much more effective since there aren't any hybrid %pen items. And if there WERE hybrid %pen items, then that would just make it all the more obvious that stacking HP is the best soft-counter against %pen.

BakedLotionJun 22, 20151 votes

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I hear there's a stat that provides equal defense against magic, physical, AND true damage.

I think it's called HP?

While you may not be able to stack one mitigation type against hybrid damage, what mitigation you DO get is much more effective since there aren't any hybrid %pen items. And if there WERE hybrid %pen items, then that would just make it all the more obvious that stacking HP is the best soft-counter against %pen.

item 3512 Too bad its terrible ;/

QarekeoJun 22, 20151 votes

Don't talk smack about my favorite tanky split-pushing item. The thing's total resists are the highest in the game and you can drop a portal in a lane to force it while you and the rest of your team get objectives.

I even have a build for Heimerdinger that uses it and Banner of Command to push lanes while I'm away pushing OTHER lanes, and earning over 20 health a second so I can stay in fights longer than I have any right to (Heimy is pretty oppressive anyway, but it's really fun).

SyndrarellaJun 22, 20151 votes

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doublelift fgJun 22, 20151 votes

Before she used to have 700 AP and 300 AD, that's was broken but riot removed it instead of nerfing it. It actually allowed you to does mixed damage with E+ aa and she has damage amp, meaning she could increase magic and physical damage.

Photos of GhostsJun 22, 20151 votes

Anyone remembers Kata's AD scalings?

The LexerJun 22, 20151 votes

I still like Gunblade on ARAM becaues her AD scalings are so high. However, the big problem with AD Kat right now is the introduction of Luden's Echo which makes her Q actually start to matter

FriusJun 22, 20151 votes

agree ,she is in a bad state ,thrown in garbage ,i really like to play her ,but no matter how i play her ,i dont do enough dmg as normal pick ,even tanks > kayle dps for real not even kidding her dps went too much down