i love so much this game, i can't stand having the game finished because someone got the first blood tower
you removed old dragon, and put something WAY WAY worse
not only this but bot lane is a shitfest of ganking and pushing asap the first blood tower instead of letting the laning phase going for 20 min like season 2 this decision was the worse you ever had tbh
Wilbor31 votesAgreed. The game is already allowing crazy snowballing, the first blood turret just makes things worse. and where is the best place to try and get it? the bot lane, which already suffers from high focus because of the dragon and the fact that there's a good setup for jungler to gank because of the supports cc. not only that buf adcs already suffer right now.
I really do think that early snowball should be a thing, but it should be limited, a team needs to have a good chance for comeback, I remember season 5 I had so many exciting games where the momentum changed every 5 minutes and it was a matter of one mistake to win the game, now we encounter in stomps that the stomping team just get aced and they don't care because they know they will win anyways.
I think it needs to be limited, and the first blood turret is absolutely where riot should start.
Ahristocats13 votesif you do this bot lane ziggs will be nerfed
Supreme Senpai693 votesAnd every ADC main and support main will jump in joy. Since bot lane ziggs is a product of a change and not a strategy in itself, removing the change really isn't the same as nerfing an alternate playstyle.
Ahristocats6 votesthe only reason goes bot instead of mid is tower fortification, he's able to get it at 4 or 5 min and the bonus gold is insane
Supreme Senpai691 votesNo i know, lol. ADC and support mains jumping in joy was at you saying "if you do this," not "ziggs will be nerfed."
UragirimonoX1 votesHahaha you said support main, don't you mean auto fill
Supreme Senpai691 votesFor every game someone is autofilled, there's 2-3 that someone isn't. Those are thanks to the support mains~
Big Lincoln15 votesI'd rather have a less shit game than 1 non-ADC being able to go bot
IceKingChernobog2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JVkJ6aRu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-06T11:16:01.916+0000)
if you do this bot lane ziggs will be nerfed
TBH, Ziggs kinda shine a big spotlight on the current state of botlane and how stupid and often Clown fiesta the botlane for first blood gold is.
Çhåryzård2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JVkJ6aRu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-06T11:16:01.916+0000)
if you do this bot lane ziggs will be nerfed
So?
The only reason botlane Ziggs exists is because of the shitfest bot and his seige ability. Taking bot ziggs away won't hurt mid ziggs, which is where he was meant for anyway
Ahristocats2 voteswell it's sad that an off meta pick is nerfed, but if it's for the sake of the game i gues it's fine
King Geffy1 votesthey can't nerf a lane change like Ziggs going bot. Its just a play style like Lane Push Nasus
Kayge3 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JVkJ6aRu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-06T11:16:01.916+0000)
if you do this bot lane ziggs will be nerfed
Bot lane ziggs needs to not exist
TheIronRevenant11 votes>be me >go top j4 >go 4/0 in lane >bot gets destroyed, enemy luc gets first tower >we lose and there was nothing I could do >luc dives morg with nami, he gets snared, takes like 5 tower shots, escapes with 1/3 hp >lost first promo game
thx rito
Vexus1 votesany good top laner would be able to insta gib lucian if you were as fed as you say you were
TheIronRevenant3 votesthey dove morg, who snared him and then kept running
Levantern5 votesComing from a support main it is pretty frustrating being 4-5 man gank in bot lane just for first blood turret
Kassimila3 votesDon't forget dragon :)
SpecterVonBaren2 votesFine. What is your suggestion to them for another thing they could do to prevent the mindless lane swap meta in competitive?
Mystic Shovel2 votesLeave it in. The LCS is boring and stale anyway, and I actually quite enjoyed watching the intricacies of how lane swaps were done, plus the butt-clencher of who gets the tower first.
That said, I personally will be boycotting the LCS this year as I'm starting to believe competitive esports such as this is ruining the game for the 99% of people who play it un-professionally. I.E, us. The sooner we all stop watching it the sooner Rito can get on and make this game truly amazing.
Miku Append2 votesStronger towers please. Call me crazy, 'cause I'm pretty sure I am to some degree, but make towers untargetable by champions for 8 minutes so I don't have to look bot to see they've pushed in two towers within 10 minutes of the game.
the Anarchit3cht2 votesstronger towers, sure. untargetable by champions? no.
GankedFromBehind1 votesIt's kinda boring watching someone desperately chunk away your towers hit points because there is literally no incentive to keep the tower up to farm longer.
I'm only desperately doing it not for the bonus gold for myself (because it's split 3 ways with support and jungler as ADC) but moreso to prevent the solo mid/top getting a hefty 525g from taking down first turret.
Riot wants to make the game less of a farmfest, which is fine, but there are other ways of creating fights organically.
sakwoya1 votesEh,I like First Blood tower. It rewards you for being coordinated. Well I don't play bot lane so I don't experience the frustration you guys feel. When I'm playing yorick I have my jungler gank top and we rush down top tower. When I'm playing sion I ult bot lane,kill them and get the tower. And when I'm a jungler(Any) I try my best to buttfuck bot lane and take the first tower. My opinion is that first blood turret is a great addition. But Adcs aren't strong enough to survive the gangbangs that have appeared as a result of the mechanic. Give the poor adcs a buff. They deserve it, what with the constant 4-5 man ganks bot and all these new fangled "assassinos" run around everywhere.
Oakleaf Ranger1 votesagreed I imagine being adc sucks whenever the enemy has a Poppy just going in and assassinating them.
King Geffy1 votesIt does suck, I never understood the quote fully "War is hell" until I'm a Lucian or Ashe getting ambushed by a wild knife cat and a green ninja woman running at me with her unnerffed kit never happening. I just imagine Luican running out of fear as he sees his duo partner, a Soraka or Blitzcrank running for their lives to a tower untouched until I see a Jinx unleash her fucking ult, he runs with Blitzcrank knowing the Jungler is busy trying to sneak a dragon and not helping the poor duo. Blitzcrank looks at the tower with the silence of a team fight gone sour and Lucian gets on his knees crying a bit knowing he failed, he looks at the time and it's 9:39 in the match. The Nasus up top to the broken duo in bot hears the words "Your tower has fallen" like a haunting ghost and Lucian sees the enemy duo Jinx and Janna basing with their Star Guardian skins since it looks cute so they say, the Akali goes through the Fog of War back to mid, and the Lee Sin shows his Mastery 7 emote then goes back to the jungle. Lucian looks to himself and sits with Blitzcrank for the next minion wave... Riot help us
sakwoya1 votesI literally 100 to 0'd the enemy jhin in my last ranked game as full tank sion. That should NOT happen unless I land a max range ult. Like seriously. The poor guy was relatively fed but he still couldnt damage me in fights to the point where I had to back off.
SushiBurrito81 votesahhh someone who cannot understand change... lmao. first tower gold was made so that it was better to stay and get tower rather than roam. Also, gave more pressure to bot lane cause there is no dmg reduction to towers bot lane
doublelift fg13 votesfirst blood tower was made to reduce lane swap in lcs
i don't fucking care about lcs, the game is worse because of it it has to be reverted
Oakleaf Ranger4 votesIt was also added to help start snowball momentum to against champions like viktor who could just AFK wave clear pretty safely to stall out the game long enough for his team to comeback if behind.
General Esdeath 4 votesIt wasn't added to prevent roam, if anything it promotes roaming more. Maybe do some research instead of trying to talk like a snarky condescending asshole
FioraWillCarry1 votesWhy in the hell do they call it "First blood tower" anyway ? Towers don't bleed, nor is blood related to the death of a tower. "First tower" would have been sufficient.
King Geffy1 votesFirst Blood Tower sounds like a Pusher's Wet Dream that rewards pushers like Tryndamere, Hiemer, Yorick, and such for doing something that is already in their kits. Not only that it snowballs out of control for your team and the enemy team to handle that sets the game in stone 10 minutes already. Riot please read this shit in fact, READ ALL THE SHIT POSTED HERE.
Ahristocats1 votes
I GANK LANES1 votescompletely disagree. i might be in the minority but who the hell wants to play a game that laning phase lasts 20 minutes and subsequently average game times are upwards of 45 minutes? early game consists of strategic gameplay and mechanics whereas late game you win by catching people out. early game is WAY more enjoyable; hour long gamesaren't fun at all.
Ahristocats3 votesit's part of the game, in league there was always early mid and late game
now it's early game and maybe mid game
game ends at 17 min at least in diamond, sometimes it goes to 22 or 23 min because people start trolling and going alone if games aren't supposed to go at 45 min then late game champs needs to have power shift because having a power you won't get because the game ends at 17 min is by definition a garbage design
I GANK LANES1 voteswhere are you getting that stat that diamond elo games end at 17 minutes
Ahristocats4 votesmy match history of ranked games
I GANK LANES1 votesyour match history? so anecdotal evidence from 1 player? lel
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesfirst blood tower winrate is 71%
KiyoYoshimaru1 votesFirst blood tower is very important because it emphasizes focusing on getting priorities, not kills. Thank you Riot.
Tis a nice day1 votesThe reason they added first blood tower was to reduce the excessive lane-swapping that was seen in pro games. http://www.idigitaltimes.com/league-legends-trying-fix-lane-swaps-making-them-riskier-546547
Secretlolz1 votesOne can only dream, but, I so long wish for an overall reduction in all sources of wealth in game BUT for minions and jungle camps.
inplane1 votesA lot of people don't want 20 minute laning phase because it is boring to watch. Screw fairness and balance. If it ain't fun to watch for the spectators, then Riot will change the shit out of it. All about the money yo. People don't care if Bot Lane is a complete fuckfest and misery to play in. They're not the ones playing it anyways... Well. Not until they're Autofilled into it. Cues all the complaint threads about Autofill
ignyte1 votesthe snowball from a successful early gank + first blood tower + dragon combo is a nightmare on some champions. Any champion who is considered "tanky" will basically completely nullify one lane. as a marksman main i contemplate committing sudoku if a rek'sai picks up those 3 things (tower dragon kill) early. i might as well be poking her with a foam finger at that point, once rek'sai picks up either a Tabi and a chain vest, i no longer exist for 20-30 minutes, and i just pray i make it to at least 3 items before game is over.
first blood turret is definitely a pain, but there are so many other problems surrounding bot lane its hard for me to find a short term fix. some things that come to mind are lethality fixes, some way to actually do some dmg to a rek'sai or zac with cinderhulk + armor.
im rambling =(