You're gutting Camille, gutting Rengar...

Niyumi··3 votes·1,199 views

Gutting so many other champions, but you leave fucking bullshit Kha'zix in this god like state he's in? Okay.

He NEEDS A NERF IN THE BIGGEST WAY POSSIBLE. He one shots tanks if they're isolated, and one shots everyone else regardless of isolation. But hey, that's fair, right? When his intended counterplay doesn't actually prevent him from one shotting you, and he can just jump on you and 100-0 you instantly from level 3 anyway.

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Oleandervine6 votes

Camille isn't being gutted. She's being toned down. Camille is so over the top right now that these nerfs bring her in line.

Sona Ping4 votes

First, please stop using that "gutting" word, it's useless and inflammatory.

Kha-zix is being discussed for nerfs but that doesn't matter. You have to understand that there is not an unlimited width pipeline for things; no one can address every champion at once, and even if they tried, no one could do it well.

Niyumi2 votes

Gutting. Means they're removing or overnerfing parts of a champion that makes playing them a liability, and you may as well not even play them at that point.

Camille is going to be forced to build glass cannon next patch, which means she will not be a "diver" but more a "suicide bomber" with her ult. That or she'll build full tank and do zero damage and just be there for the CC of her E and R.

Rengar is being nerfed to the point that he can hardly clear, and he's losing his empowered W so he'll just straight up die any time he tries to do anything.

And CONSIDERED? He NEEDS nerfs. There is no consideration about it. But then, he's becoming FOTM, and he's making money. So Riot will take their sweet fucking time to do anything -- and even then, they won't nerf the actual issue, they'll nerf EVERYTHING BUT THE ISSUE until the champion isn't even the same champion at that point (Poppy, anyone?).

But hey, that's putting the game before money. Definitely.

Sona Ping2 votes

Like, you see all this?

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Gutting. Means they're removing or overnerfing parts of a champion that makes playing them a liability, and you may as well not even play them at that point.

Camille is going to be forced to build glass cannon next patch, which means she will not be a "diver" but more a "suicide bomber" with her ult. That or she'll build full tank and do zero damage and just be there for the CC of her E and R.

Rengar is being nerfed to the point that he can hardly clear, and he's losing his empowered W so he'll just straight up die any time he tries to do anything.

This isn't helpful. This is inflammatory. This does not facilitate discussion. That's why I ask everyone to stop

What's the point in responding to anything you write when you are like this? Nevermind the Camille nerfs and how I don't see how taking the second bonus damage from "double" to "a little less than double" forces everyone to jump in and suicide with a glass cannon build.

It's pointless to even try discussion when you talk in gross, hysterical terms like "gut this".

And yes, Khazix has nerfs being discussed and tested. Because that's what you have to do, discuss things to change to then change them.

Lauchmelder2 votes

If something is so overpowered that it becomes utterly broken, see Camille who got way too much in her kit paired with a disgustingly high damage output, then removing/nerfing something from their kit is not a "gutting".

You know what a gutting is? Getting nerfed for several patches in a row to end up with a sub 45% winrate. And then leaving the champion there.

Revali1 votes

You know what a gutting is?

Remember the preseason 5 warwick nerf because of this stupid thing? item 3715

that's a gut.

Lauchmelder1 votes

What's that item exactly? I'm on my phone, can't really check. Devourer?

Revali1 votes

Skirmishers Sabre.

Mordepool2 votes

OP doesn't understand what gutting a champion actually is. Sad so sad

Succubús GF1 votes

I mean ffs, they straight up made lb into a mage because of "muh counterplay" but buff khazix. I really love Riot's balance team

Eedat2 votes

LB is still broken lol

Succubús GF2 votes

New lb is trash, I can beat her with pretty much every mid lane champion with the exception of champions I don't know how to play 30/47 on champ.gg btw

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

You're Bronze 3. You just fought & defeated the shittiest Leblanc players in your matches.

Succubús GF1 votes
BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

With a 31% ban rate while having a 5% playrate. Even Sion's & Yorick's playrate were only 2% with less than 1% banrate. (Were you just looking at the winrate?)

http://www.lolking.net/champions/leblanc#/overview

And this is in Diamond elo, where she attains a 56% winrate, and having 3.2% playrate due to the excessive ban rate of 60.3% banrate.

What were YOU saying?

Succubús GF1 votes

Net back to my original champion.gg link as that actually shows ALL elos, not diamond honey. Her damage dealt alone is one of the weaker aspects of her stats. The premise was that she was broken, which I disagreed with if she was absolutely broken, she would have a much better champ.gg score, right? Right.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

The banrate & the pickrate was from champion.gg itself, so my point from that still stands.

For the 2nd one, say if Yasuo is nerfed because he has a high winrate at Bronze elo, but has low winrate in Diamond elo, was the nerf necessary?

Answer is, mostly no. Like why would you center balancing around the non-professionals instead of the ones with more experience? This is one part of the reason why people would rather focus on lolking's individual winrates instead of a winrate that's altogether like champion.gg.

Succubús GF1 votes

I believe riot specifically stated that while they do optimize nerfs and tweaks based on high elo, they do take into consideration low elo as in how abusable/toxic a kit is. Not to mention champion.gg is based on bronze to challenger I believe, and I also think its in a standpoint of a sample per tier. If I am not mistaken

Eedat2 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Leblanc

95% win rate on 125+ games played

Holy fuck. Keep telling us shes not broken

Succubús GF1 votes

Who are you referring to?

Veraska1 votes

They're nerfing the CC reduction on his Q which is what makes him broke in competitive (god tier objective control) try to avoid hyperbole I don't think he's OHKing tanks regularly

I play a fair bit of kha'zix and he's for sure strong but I'd like to see how this nerf coupled with the jungle nerfs that just happened affect him

Niyumi1 votes

His damage makes him broken regardless of the CD reduction on his Q. I can fight him inside a massive minion wave, meaning he has no resets, and he still wins, even if I'm a Teemo with 4.2k health, 400 AP and a BORK + 130 AD. They just need to revert his rework, and he'd be fine.

Genocide Victim1 votes

I agree, Khazix needs a massive nerf. Squash the bug.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/01/127-pbe-update.html#more

He's already getting one. It's mainly focused on the damage on enemies who are not isolated, so the isolation damage is a lot more noticeable.

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