Apparently his ult procs dark harvest which actually increases the execution threshold...
Like wtf, why is it even a thing... And if that is not enough, the thing completely ignores shield too (why the fk not right riot?)
Just nerf this champ into unplayable tier, and try to rework his kit into something that actually resembles a support.
Khristophoros10 votesSounds like a bug with how dark harvest interacts with his ult.
Zéychin3 votesIt's working exactly as how Dark Harvest was intended to when it was reworked. Not saying that's a good thing -- they are hotfixing (hotfixed already? Unsure, haven't played since last night) Dark Harvest in general because it was too strong. The Dark Harvest damage procs before the damage source (ability/autoattack/Ignite, et cetera) procs.
Khristophoros5 votesThe problem is the ability isn't supposed to deal damage, and then check if the target is in execute range. It's supposed to either do damage OR execute.
Icy Hot Shoto1 votesExcept, with one lethality item he can half health a champion already with his ult. If the champ is already at half health, he's procing dark harvest on top of his ult damage. So if the champion happens to have just enough health where his ult doesn't kill them, the dark harvest proc just might. Or they're low enough, and his dark harvest proc is just overkill.
Pyke's ult in general just does way too much damage.
Elijawho4 votes[{quoted}](name=Ranmaru Kurosaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sQVXyKAT,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-21T22:03:59.978+0000)
Except, with one lethality item he can half health a champion already with his ult. If the champ is already at half health, he's procing dark harvest on top of his ult damage. So if the champion happens to have just enough health where his ult doesn't kill them, the dark harvest proc just might. Or they're low enough, and his dark harvest proc is just overkill.
Pyke's ult in general just does way too much damage.
Nah. Leveling up keeps his ult at about the same strength the entire game unless you really decide to put him ahead
Zéychin1 votesAgain, I don't disagree with you, but that's how Dark Harvest is applied. It is applied first so that it maximizes the potential damage of any % health-missing execute (like Lee Sin and Elise have) in the game. That has the side-effect of Pyke killing you at considerably higher health.
Not arguing balance, just stating that it is working as Riot had intended it.
Khristophoros1 votesI mean the damage which applies DH should not occur on the same cast as the actual execute. It should be either damage + DH or execute alone.
If you think about how the logic for this ability should be, it should be like this: First you determine if there should be normal damage or execute. Then you apply the chosen effect. If the chosen effect is damage then you get DH. If the chosen effect is execute then it shouldn't really matter.
But apparently how it works is, it first applies damage, then it checks to see if it should execute. This produced the correct behavior before, but now with DH it doesn't.
or IDK maybe it doesn't apply damage first. Maybe DH just triggers because the ability is flagged as a damaging ability even in cases where it doesn't deal regular physical damage. Like I know that the execute is technically implemented with damage but by the game mechanics definition it isn't "damage".
Z3Sleeper1 votesYeah if that's not how it's working right now then something is wrong.
It should be doing Ult damage -> DH damage and if DH is what kills then there should be no reset.
Spank the Fox1 votesPyke has a slight grace period on his execute, like .2 seconds after the ult.
I haven’t played this patch yet, but it’s possible that the grace period is long enough for DH execute to count to Pyke’s ultimate.
Wolfalisk3185 votesOr we could just nerf Nami instead ecksdee.
DM For Rat Facts1 votesAbilities proc dark harvest now.
Luminev1 votesOr turn his ult into a percentage execute. I agree his ult is insane rn and should not proc dark harvest but he is a support champ. His whole concept is being a support assassin and that's here to stay ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Salron1 votesvery nice champion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUFRcRchUA&feature=youtu.be&t=656
Spank the Fox1 votesLol, that’s what Pyke does pre-8.23 too...
Fear the Kayn1 votesHe’s not overpowered in his kit, but his combo with dark harvest is a bit much. He’s no different than taking pantheon support.
Hayaishi22 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sQVXyKAT,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-11-21T23:19:01.840+0000)
He’s not overpowered in his kit, but his combo with dark harvest is a bit much. He’s no different than taking pantheon support.
Wut? Pantheon support is actually gankeable, cant engange on me from long range or chain cc me like Pyke.
Ungrateful Thug1 votesDark Harvest needs to just go, tbh.
Ignika D1 votesdont be silly a support needs to 1 vs 1 any squish till mid game on a support budget build
